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Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by xiphias2 on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:30PM (#19118339)
Although I haven't been to Toronto, there's an alternative to zoning: great public transportation.

In Zurich I can get from any place to any other place easily because the tram/bus/train connections are always waiting for each other, and are almost never too early / late.

People can use cars if they need it, but it shouldn't be the first choice generally.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by onlyrealcuzzo on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:54PM (#19118566)
Are you saying that Zurich is a champion of affordable housing? Why is Zurich a model we should look to when trying to fix zoning?

I'm not knocking their transit. I'm sure it's great. But you can have good transit, zoning, and affordable housing. See Berlin.

And, yes, Berlin has it's problems, and I'm sure somewhere else is doing things even better. I'm just curious why Zurich is a model we should look to.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by xiphias2 on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:03PM (#19118645)
Zurich is very expensive, so of course I'm not saying this. But it's a beautiful city, so by allowing destroying its center and making houses higher you trade something for something else. To tell you the truth I'm all for getting rid of zoning generally, but it's not as clear cut case as making sure that trains / trams / metros / buses are clean, and run on time, never too crowded, and have predictable connections.

Many of my colleagues were living outside Zurich in smaller towns / villages (me too), and we could get to work in 20 minutes, which was for me great actually, I loved sitting on the train and enjoying the beautiful view.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by afterburner on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:07PM (#19118683)
Toronto does have good public transportation. Every day, almost a million people use the Toronto subways/buses/streetcars.
Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by dhritzkiv on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:29PM (#19118866)
In addition, a large number travel to/from the suburbs daily by via regional train system (GO Transit)
Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by chongli on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:41PM (#19118957)
I commuted from Kitchener to Toronto for work every day from September to December for co-op on the GO "Express" train. It was 2 hours each way to travel about 100km. It's just about the farthest thing I'd call from "good public transit."
Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by afterburner on Sunday February 10, 2019 @04:00PM (#19130002)
You're living two cities over from where you work. What did you expect? This is not a normal "commute".

If you drove that during rush hour, you wouldn't be travelling at max speed the whole time, and likely would also take two hours to travel, potentially more (Google predicts up to 2 hours and 40 minutes).

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by hnnh44 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:21AM (#19122682)
Step 1: define "good"

Step 2: compare to alternatives, factoring in geography, culture, scale of operations, political environment

It's a hugely complex issue. I wouldn't define Toronto's public transit as bad, but it's not world class.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by chongli on Sunday February 10, 2019 @08:11AM (#19127643)
Step 1: define "good"

The train takes 2 hours to travel 100km. Cars can do that distance in one hour, despite having to cope with traffic. That's pretty appalling. Good public transit should be faster than a car along its main corridor.

Apart from geography, those other factors are reasons, not excuses. Lots of people here look down on public transit and associate it with poor people. That's a problem to be rectified.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by mykowebhn on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:47PM (#19118509)
I completely agree with you!

And if it only were so easy!

Toronto, and Canada, is very much like the US in terms of its reliance on the car to get around. Except in urban centers, and NYC, the first choice of transportation is almost always the car. This is not just a mindset. The lack of a proper transportation infrastructure and the sprawling nature of North American cities make it difficult to get around without a car.

In fact, I would say urban sprawl and traffic are worse in Toronto than in most American cities (I'm originally from Toronto and I've lived in the US for more than two decades). And what about the surrounding regions, like York and Peel regions? I would say the prospects for an adequate public transportation infrastructure in the surrounding regions of Toronto are even worse, and the population in the surrounding suburbs rivals the population of Toronto proper.

Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by neurotrace on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:07PM (#19118680)
That was not my experience with Toronto at all. I lived in the Liberty Village area over the summer and could very easily get around the city via public transit. The only time we drove was to get to get to the movie theater in Etobicoke. Eastern Toronto was extremely easy to get around.
Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by mykowebhn on Friday February 08, 2019 @07:14PM (#19119821)
Yes, exactly. Liberty Village is very close to downtown Toronto. I wasn't commenting on the public transportation close to city centers.
Re:Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market by green7ea on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:02PM (#19118638)
Public transport is easy when the city is reasonably sized. Toronto is a huge spread out city. The surface area it covers makes public transport really difficult which is not great for the standard of living.