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Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by kokokokoko on Thursday February 07, 2019 @12:03PM (#19106509)
That is a massive leap of faith to believe that a person that works for a large international non-profit is someone who automatically behaves justly and morally. It is often a prestigious and above average paying position. There are certainly people who go into non-profit work for all the right reasons. But there are plenty that do not.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by coderintherye on Thursday February 07, 2019 @02:32PM (#19107771)
>It is often a prestigious and above average paying position

Incorrect. Furthermore, the salaries are often public, so this is provable. Look up our 990 if you don't believe me. You can also review via GuideStar[0] or Foundation Center[1]. I work with a lot of fellow non-profits, on average our positions pay about 80% of market. Perhaps you are only looking at CEO pay? On average, that is also below market, but there are some outliers which I'd have to guess you are basing your incorrect assertion on.

[0] https://www.guidestar.org/Home.aspx [1] https://foundationcenter.org/

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by kokokokoko on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:17PM (#19108159)
By "above average" I meant it was above the median income as opposed to above average for the position. I should have made that language a bit clearer.

From there I would say that the status and prestige of working at a large and powerful NGO can make up for the difference in pay one might make elsewhere. There are obviously many people who go into non-profit work for purely altruistic reasons. I only meant to state that there are plenty of people who do not. Therefore using the position as a signal of the quality of a person's character is not valid.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by matt4077 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:07PM (#19109069)
Can’t you just admit you were wrong, instead of moving the goalpost to some (also wrong) median vs mode argument, and then repeating your other impossible-to-disprove opinion on NGO worker’s character flaws?
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by kokokokoko on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:13PM (#19110852)
Hey Matt, seems like you really got offended by my clarification. I'm certainly not trying to upset you and my apologies if I did.

I was in fact using "above average" as meaning they tend to be more white collar jobs that pay more than the median salary.

With that said, this really seems like something that is upsetting you and I really want you to know that I'm not trying to play a game or trick anyone. Either way, it's just a web forum. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. There is no prize. Just making internet conversation since I'm a little bored today.

Please don't get too worked up about it and I wish you well.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by mLuby on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:02PM (#19109021)
Ehhh, the signal can be pretty valid even if it's not so in 100% of cases. And I imagine that it's less correct at the top: rank and file NGO employees are likely to have made significant sacrifices in terms of pay or lifestyle to support their org's mission, but I don't know for certain that applies to the C-suite equivalent at the top.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by coldtea on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:54PM (#19108497)
The average between CEOs or executive roles is not important, the average (median) among the public at large is.

Simply put, they are better off than most.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by matt4077 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:10PM (#19109104)
No. The argument was, specifically, that these people are not taking a hit in pay by working for an NGO, and that they are therefore not acting altruistic.

The comparison with similar positions is the only one valid, because those are the better paying job they did not take even though they were qualified.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by coldtea on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:26AM (#19112422)
You're assuming a random NGO "CEO" or "exec" would be ever hired as the CEO/exec of a large private company, which is hardly the case.

Those people are not taking a hit working for an NGO because they would never have the equivalent roles in the business world.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by duxup on Thursday February 07, 2019 @12:23PM (#19106656)
It does seem to be a common belief though.

I recall someone hired at Baylor University as a part of dealing with sexual assault investigations (before the big scandal) believed it would be a good job because ... they thought there would fewer such problems at a Christian university.

I was bit shocked that someone tasked with investigations like this would even think that (wondered about qualifications).

In the end, people are people. No job or role really makes them any more or less anything. It's about who they are, and their choices, not the job, title, or etc.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by drieddust on Thursday February 07, 2019 @01:14PM (#19107061)
> That is a massive leap of faith to believe that a person that works for a large international non-profit is someone who automatically behaves justly and morally.

In some circles its trendy to work for non profits and sometimes even benefits are much better than working for a regular organization where $$ return of investments are monitored closely. It's basically do good porn for some.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by PaulHoule on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:54PM (#19108499)
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by wazoox on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:13PM (#19109132)
Absolutely anecdata: all of the NGO workers I've met were "spoiled rich youngsters" wanting to get meaning in their lives. Then most NGOs seem do more harm than good IMO, particularly the bigger the badder (local support associations and organisations are almost always fine OTOH).
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by mirimir on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:44PM (#19109397)
When I interviewed for my first NGO job, I was warned that most staff had trust fund income. I didn't. And eventually got tired of being poor.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by byron_fast on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:17PM (#19109161)
This also describes most "terrorist leaders". Being born rich distorts your worldview.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by HappyDreamer on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:02PM (#19109566)
> plenty that do not [join for the right reasons]

Some people (men) become aid workers so the can use their power, as aid workers, to rape refugee women and children.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43206297

"Syria conflict: Women 'sexually exploited in return for aid'" -- the United Nations and other charities, hire them.

Why don't they just hire women instead, to distribute the food, please.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by matt4077 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @01:28PM (#19107186)
NGO jobs are not better paid than equivalent jobs in industry. I have plenty of friends in those jobs, and each one of them could easily triple their salary by, for example, going to McKinsey instead.

To give more than anecdotes: it’s self-evident that more prestigious work can afford to pay less than competitors that are boring and get you spit at by your friends.

Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by maxxxxx on Thursday February 07, 2019 @01:47PM (#19107363)
Once you go up the chain they make very good money. Just look at the houses of non-profit execs in Northern VA. They are huge.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by sincerely on Thursday February 07, 2019 @02:54PM (#19107952)
Non-profit execs make good money (by virtue of being execs), but certainly not more than they could be making in industry.
Re:Doing Good Makes It Easier to Be Bad by mirimir on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:48PM (#19109441)
It depends a lot on the NGO. Some cap executive compensation at $100K or so. But others don't.