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Re:Facebook's data gathering hit by German anti-trust clampdown by adventured on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:07AM (#19104201)
Facebook's response is without question following Peter Thiel's monopolist argumentation position.

If you're a monopolist, widen your pool of competition to include anything you possibly can.

If your employees consume fruit at work, proclaim you're competing with Chiquita bananas (and have a tiny share of the fruit market).

If your employees ever fly on planes, proclaim your position in jets is terribly weak next to Boeing and Airbus.

They're not a social network, they're considerably trailing YouTube with Watch. They're not a social network, they're trailing Craigslist with Marketplace. They're not a social network, they're badly trailing Android and iOS in app marketplaces. They're not a social network, they're badly trailing Amazon and Google in smart speakers and home tech. And so on the lie goes.

Re:Facebook's data gathering hit by German anti-trust clampdown by Deganta on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:13AM (#19104218)
Does this argument really work? Nobody says that Facebook has a monpoly in everything they do. They say that they have a monopoly in a very specific area, which should be enough for antritrust lawsuits.

I'm pretty sure that AT&T and Standard Oil also had branches that did not have a monopoly in their respective areas, but that didn't stop the splitting of the companies.

Re:Facebook's data gathering hit by German anti-trust clampdown by adventured on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:23AM (#19104251)
Microsoft aggressively deployed it in the 1990s with the US Government. It didn't work at all ultimately. Nobody outside of Microsoft's management bought into the premise (they either didn't actually buy into it either, or they were wildly delusional, hard to tell which it really was). Once the DOJ took the Microsoft case seriously, they cut through Microsoft's fluff like a buzzsaw.

It doesn't work very well at all with a determined government, which will zero in on specific market abuses (rather than getting caught up in bullshit PR fluff). Primarily it's one part PR play with the public brand & image, and one part time delay. Facebook would love nothing more than to have an opportunity to burn years of time by being given a chance to argue round and round about all the competition they face.

Microsoft laughably couldn't stop repeating how they were fighting for their right to innovate (which eg had next to nothing to do with their serious OEM abuses). Every other word out of Gates and Ballmer's mouths for years was a variation of innovation. They beat that drum to death, it made no difference. They tried playing the widen the competition pool card over and over again, that also made zero difference.

No serious regulator will ever believe the competition everywhere premise. I generally don't believe it's aimed at actually convincing a serious regulator, either. The sharks that work for giants like Facebook know it's not an actual strong legal argument, which is why I believe it's one part stall tactic and one part public image support. There's a small chance it could cause some skepticism among less determined regulators as a fluke benefit.

Re:Facebook's data gathering hit by German anti-trust clampdown by whyisthewhat on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:32AM (#19104286)
The only thing I would add is that it serves as a convenient figleaf for regulators and policy advocates who are politically or ideologically friendly to monopolists, of whom there are no shortage in the US at least
Re:Facebook's data gathering hit by German anti-trust clampdown by AJ007 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @10:43AM (#19105852)
The other part of Peter Thiel's point is that if you aren't a monopoly, you pretend you are, so you can convince investors you are much more valuable.