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Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @02:08PM (#19098554)
> subsidize education so much that every school is as good as the ones Zuckerberg and Gates attended.

You won't get that. The truth is that parental involvement is at least if not more important than the sort of school they go to.

I would guess that if Zuckerberg and Gates had been forced to go to public school, they still would have done well due to parental involvement. On the other hand, if you took a child in a single parent home in which the parent works 2 jobs and struggles to pay bills and put them in the same school that Zuckerberg and Gates attended, I would bet that they would do worse than hypothetical Zuckerberg or Gates at a crappy school.

Part of the reason why private schools score higher is that they select for parents who 1) Care about education and 2) Are well off enough economically to afford it. You put a bunch of students like that together and in aggregate they are going to do well. On the other hand, if you have a school (with mandatory attendance) where a large portion of the students live in struggling households where concern for education is behind putting food on the table and a roof over head, the school is going to struggle, even if you had the best teachers in the world with a vast amount of teaching resources.

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by zdragnar on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:38PM (#19099635)
This point gets brought up a lot, but it's focused on individual situations; peers influence kids as much as parents, if not moreso (especially when the single parent works multiple jobs).

If the preponderance of a community doesn't value education enough, or can't at least take the time to act on feedback from teachers about how their kids are doing, then you're just going to end up with a self-fulfilling prophesy of failure. On the one hand, you've got kids being made fun of for "acting white" when they try hard, and parents laying into teachers for daring to criticize their children who are acting out.

Money can't fix any of that, and it matters a whole hell of a lot less than parents who at least put in some effort. My best friend- who I first met in college- grew up in near-abject poverty, raised by a single parent who worked a lot. His parent made sure to drill into him the importance of trying hard in school, and what the other kids he tried to emulate were doing wrong (even to the point of having him join a hockey team instead of a basketball team to break him of living up- or rather down- to stereotypes).

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by crispyambulance on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @04:03PM (#19099918)

    > The truth is that parental involvement is at least if not more important than the sort of school they go to.
Sure, home-life makes a big difference, but there's a lot of kids for whom a solid education at a non-dysfunctional school would do wonders.

It doesn't even have to be private-school mastery-based education with a 6-1 student/teacher ratio to make a significant difference, nor do we need to use Zuckerberg/Gates or other unicorns as the role models here.

What would it take to reverse the downward spiral in public education? Teachers who are paid a decent wage and aren't overwhelmed with 40-1 or higher ratios, crumbling infrastructure and insane administrations. That's totally doable-- if our culture is worth a damn.

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by sjg007 on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @04:03PM (#19099925)
Well. I think a good school would provide a lot of resources. Sure some parents, especially the wealthy will provide those when they can but they may not even know about opportunities out there.

Some private schools offer scholarships and those have been shown to significantly help less well to do kids succeed. I think there's a private school in Oakland that does this.

I think, as a first order of business, we should have our schools providing 3 meals a day to the kids. That will help things tremendously.

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by and-y1 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:19PM (#19109176)
I agree about parental involvement. My brother and I both went to a good (public) high school, but I attribute much of our intellectual curiosity to parents who 1) read a ton 2) read to us a ton 3) had books/newspapers/magazines around all the time. That was nurtured in us during high school and college, but was created well before then.
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by airstrike on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:26PM (#19099493)
I'm willling to bet real money that Mark Zuckerberg's and Bill Gates' parents also went to great schools...
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by throwawaymath on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:36PM (#19099614)
You shouldn't make that bet. Zuckerberg's parents didn't attend Philips Exeter. Zuckerberg himself only transferred in.

But to the spirit of your point: yes, he did grow up in a household with two highly educated parents.