News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by denzil_correa on Thursday February 07, 2019 @02:49AM (#19103719)
It is important to distinguish between risk and uncertainty.

> "Uncertainty must be taken in a sense radically distinct from the familiar notion of Risk, from which it has never been properly separated.... The essential fact is that 'risk' means in some cases a quantity susceptible of measurement, while at other times it is something distinctly not of this character; and there are far-reaching and crucial differences in the bearings of the phenomena depending on which of the two is really present and operating.... It will appear that a measurable uncertainty, or 'risk' proper, as we shall use the term, is so far different from an unmeasurable one that it is not in effect an uncertainty at all."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightian_uncertainty

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by kgwgk on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:10AM (#19104439)
The concept was popularized a few years ago by Rumsfeld with his "known unknowns" (risk) and "unknown unknowns" (uncertainty).
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by js8 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:38AM (#19103892)
It also influenced Keynes and many post-keynesians, much more than neoclassical school.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by soVeryTired on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:39AM (#19103895)
Can anyone give a high level summary of what you can accomplish with fuzzy logic that you can't do with more classical probability theory?

What's the 'elevator pitch' for why someone should learn the theory?

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by joker3 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @04:51PM (#19108945)
Think about the property of being tall. If someone is 5'4" (162.5 cm), they're not tall. If they're 6'8" (203.2 cm), they are tall. What happens in the middle?

In classical set theory, every person is either tall or not. As a result, there has to be some cutoff below which people aren't tall, and above which they are. But that doesn't match up with the way that we think about tallness. Someone who's 6' (182.9 cm) is kinda tall but not really.

Fuzzy logic and set theory is the math that allows you to reason precisely about properties like tallness, where some things have the property and other things don't and still other things kinda have it.

Now imagine trying to formulate tallness in the language of probability theory. If you say that a person who's 6' is 50% tall, and I show up with a large group of people of that exact height, then you'd have to claim that half of them are tall and half of them aren't in order for the law of large numbers to hold. Is that really what you want, or even coherent?

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by lou1306 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:01AM (#19106013)
I'm not able to do an 'elevator pitch' because I don't actually work with fuzzy logic, but the fact is... the concept itself is just not the same as propability. Compare these two statements:

1. The color of this apple is kind of yellow, but there's also a little red here and there.

2. This apple may be yellow with p=0.8, and red with p=0.2.

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by wespiser_2018 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:50AM (#19103933)
Fuzzy sets allow you to use set theoretic tools over objects with varying degrees of membership. This is a useful construct when trying to reason over probabilistic evidence, and IMO can be a useful modelling tool.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by enriquto on Thursday February 07, 2019 @08:13AM (#19104960)
> set theoretic tools over objects with varying degrees of membership

you can also do exactly that in probability theory by multiplying the probabilities. Is there any difference?

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by finndark on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:25AM (#19106203)
enruquito says>"you can also do exactly that in probability theory by multiplying the probabilities."

Have you got a concrete example?

i.e., show us the probability version precisely with mathematics and maybe someone can tell you the corresponding fuzzy version, if any.

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by soVeryTired on Thursday February 07, 2019 @04:48AM (#19104139)
Have you got a concrete example?
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by finndark on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:49AM (#19106395)
Fuzzy logic (FL) made it easier for control systems engineers to implement rule-based systems where rules were often extracted in human language from experts who had learned to manually control the systems.

The Japanese were quick to adopt FL and benefited enormously financially. Now FL is embedded almost everywhere.

Michio Sugeno built a fuzzy logic control system that flies a helicopter with a rotor blade missing! It is possible to do that with a conventional control system (that is, a mathematical solution must exist), but I believe the mathematics might be a bit more difficult.

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by memming on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @10:05PM (#19102640)
Not Bayesian, that's Fuzzy!
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by yakubin on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:13AM (#19104217)
OT but the fonts are awful, the title page isn't even centred properly, figures lose quality when zoomed in... Just use LaTeX, people.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by capnrefsmmat on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:32AM (#19104790)
The title page isn’t supposed to be centered — this is typeset for double-sided printing, where one edge of the paper will be in the binding and hence inaccessible. It’s standard typesetting practice to have asymmetric margins to account for this, and you can see it in all subsequent pages as well.

I do agree, though, that using a math font that doesn’t match the text font is a high typographic crime.

Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by rcap on Thursday February 07, 2019 @05:44AM (#19104322)
Actually, this was made with LaTeX. Sadly, LaTeX doesn't prohibit you from making ugly documents.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by yakubin on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:06AM (#19104418)
Oh... My bad.
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by ginnungagap on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:04AM (#19105255)
The different margin sizes on the left and right (swapped between odd and even numbered pages) are the standard for the book documentclass in LaTeX because that's the best for printing and binding!
Re:An Introduction to the Mathematics of Uncertainty (2010) ... by wespiser_2018 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:52AM (#19103939)
Great book! Getting folks to understand statistics and data in terms of uncertainty is always a challenge!