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Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by fastbeef on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:38PM (#19090093)
I’m not surprised. This is so different to how workplaces are usually run in the US that organizations, or society even, has no institutional memory on how to deal with it.

In Sweden, where 400+ days of parental leave has been mandatory for years organization have adapted and learned patterns and ways to deal with people dissappearing for around a year.

It’s a shame the Gates Foundation didn’t research this better before diving in.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by Rebelgecko on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:44PM (#19090160)
Are those 400+ days per parent or divvied up between the parents? I imagine that can have a big impact on how the leave affects companies.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by kzrdude on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @05:18PM (#19090543)
480 days together. Of those, 90 days each are non-transferrable (between the parents).
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by souprock on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @06:15PM (#19091071)
Wow. I would almost never work. I'm having my 12th kid soon, and my wife doesn't work. At 390 days (roughly 13 months) per kid, I could pretty much just not work.

Why don't people do this in Sweden? There are so few kids!

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by kzrdude on Saturday February 09, 2019 @07:34AM (#19121967)
Having kids is expensive (even when health care and education is free, they eat and wear clothes and play sports and stuff!). People also want to work and not just raise kids, I think. I don't know of anyone with half that many kids.

I think the Swedish culture is also very practically minded. (Romance is dead!) Which means the practical drawbacks from having a big family (car size, expensive vacations etc) will weigh a lot.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by danans on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @06:40PM (#19091254)
People want to work, and do other things that work avails to them, including provide better experiences and lifestyle for the smaller number of children in their household.

Even in the 1960s in the US, when the working class had much more economic security, and it was easier to financially support children than today, the median number of children per family was still < 3.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/718084/average-number-of...

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by souprock on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:44PM (#19092256)
I think "better experiences" should include the value of siblings. There is always somebody to play with. You form a team against bullies. Being able to attend classes together or share dorm rooms is great. Even later in life, there will be family to share life with.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by danans on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @08:03PM (#19101969)
3 kids would be able to provide each other plenty of sibling value.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by ionised on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:17AM (#19094268)
Most people won't have as many children as you though. Even among people for whom having a family is a priority, they probably won't have more than two or three.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by fastbeef on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:53PM (#19090259)
It’s per child, with a percentage ear marked for each parent and the rest is up to the parent to decide to gets them.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by chrisco255 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:41PM (#19090127)
People aren't easily replaceable...especially high talent individuals. It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers. And if someone has several children in a row...then what? What are the limits?
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by fastbeef on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:55PM (#19090293)
Its paid by the government, funded by taxes, at the same level as sick leave/disability. Some (most) companies actually chip in a little (or a lot) to ease the income loss as a perk.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by tomp on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:47PM (#19090186)
> It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers

That's absolutely true, but hopefully the government (or social security) pays for it. Same as for medical leave (in Slovenia, only after 30 days though - first month is paid by the employer). That way, the government is supporting entrepreneurship and small businesses, which would otherwise be disproportionally affected by a single person leaving (in a big company, the law of large numbers makes it easy to predict, and therefore manage, absences).

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by Fomite on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @05:16PM (#19090527)
This would make more sense if the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation wasn't also notorious for having extremely high turnover.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by minikites on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:47PM (#19090182)
Are you implying that someone will try to game the system by perpetually having children for a decade or more?
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by tyoma on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @06:05PM (#19090991)
Could someone from Sweden talk about how a year or more ofleave works in practice?

I am curious about:

* what percentage of parents take the full year or more of leave?

* how much of a salary reduction happens on leave?

* how much of the leave salary is paid directly by the employer versus by the government?

* does the year have to be taken consecutively, or can you break it up into chunks?

* what happens to the temporary employee once the parent is back from leave?

* if the parent has another child while on leave, can they extend leave by another year?

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by doggydogs94 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @07:09PM (#19091419)
The Gates Foundation did not have to research it, they experienced it.
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Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by FlorianRappl on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @05:12PM (#19090486)
You got my smile ;). Also in Germany its no problem since all we do is sausages.

Wonder why a burger so different that the person making it cannot be on parental leave for a year.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by noidea_ on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @06:12PM (#19091051)
The burger has many more layers. It's significantly more complex. As someone who spent some time working in Germany, my coworkers were obsessed with hamburgers. And mayo on everything.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year ... by pfyra on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @04:55PM (#19090290)
While in the US it is a big deal, or what?