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Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by spicymaki on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:10AM (#19084927)
I never understood the whole: we are throwing you in jail to protect you from yourself approach with the war on drugs. Decriminalize it!
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by duxup on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:11AM (#19085390)
I feel like there is a bit of a reason to do that for things like say ... crack. Pot is one thing but the ultra addictive stuff, I just don't see making that legal a good idea.

Not all drugs are equal in my mind in that sense.

Granted I've no issue for being measured with how to handle folks who are caught with it.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by folkrav on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:22AM (#19085483)
Meanwhile, Portugal has decriminalized possession in small quantities for all drugs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization#Portugal) with great results.

Criminalizing addicts is not helping anyone. Throwing addicts into jail doesn't solve their addiction problem, and distributors are still out there.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by laumars on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:20AM (#19085460)
Decriminalisation isn’t the same as legalisation.

The former means you won’t get a criminal record for it but it’s still illegal.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by chasd00 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:35AM (#19085567)
more like we're throwing you in jail to protect the rest of us from your addiction. Anyone who has ever crossed paths with an addict short on money to feed their addiction knows this all too well. Also, finding syringes on the sidewalk where kids play isn't good either.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by spicymaki on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:48AM (#19085687)
The syringes at the park are a direct result of drug policy. Perhaps the person had social/mental problems before becoming an addict. Why not divert resources to making life more livable for more people rather than cages that do not fix anything?
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by woah on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @10:48AM (#19086360)
Just look at SF. Junkies running wild, injecting marijuana oil procured from the many legal “dispensaries”.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by dwaltrip on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @07:13PM (#19091442)
I hope you realize that psilocybin mushrooms are not physiologically addictive and don't involve any needles.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:48AM (#19085688)
Right, just throw everyone in jail. The true American way.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by globe1337 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @10:56AM (#19086465)
No one on mushrooms fits this delusional strawman dude.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by lightbyte on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:39AM (#19085128)
It's easy to understand when you realize they aren't throwing you in jail to protect you, it's to make money off of you.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by bmurphy1976 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:52AM (#19085228)
And oppress political opposition as well as other undesirables (aka blatant racism).
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by justtopost on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:12AM (#19084947)
Legalize it. Please. 'Decriminalization' is a spin word for things still very much illegal.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by folkrav on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:28AM (#19085524)
Decriminalization is akin to a parking ticket, it's still illegal, but is not a criminal offense. It literally is what the word means, not a "spin word". Both things serve very different purposes.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by saiya-jin on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:52AM (#19085724)
You still support crime syndicate with your money. You still have to deal with shady characters in the dark streets. You still have no clue what you are buying, the potency, what is it mixed with. When you travel, you have no clue where to go.

Decriminalization is a half-assed step from horrible situation, but its still a bad and unfair situation. We can do better once we recognize that some substance is not the end of the world (like weed recently).

Personal example - a friend brought from US a vaporizer with weed oil inside. Its much less health-damaging compared to usual smoking - even compared to plant vaporizers, the potency and effect is predictable, you know what to expect. This is how things improve when market is legal, in just couple of years. And this product is illegal everywhere else, including Amsterdam...

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by folkrav on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:57AM (#19106461)
Portugal decriminalized possession, sale is still illegal. Overall usage dropped down. Decriminalization doesn't serve the same objectives as legalization. Pretty sure outright legalizing meth wouldn't be such a great idea.

Legalization is not the solution to everything either. Since weed has been legalized around here (Canada) a couple of big cities moved to literally ban smoking it everywhere. Current Quebec government is also pushing to ban smoking it outside province wide. They also let landlords ban marijuana use property wide. So basically, in these cities (and if the current Quebec government gets its way, which it definitely might considering its a majority government), marijuana is now legal to own, but renters now can't legally smoke anywhere.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by Andrex on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:43AM (#19085155)
Not really, it confers some pretty specific policy changes (making possession legal, as well as retroactively expunging records, is one part of decriminalization.)
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by ataturk on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @08:15AM (#19084963)
There was a fair bit of teetotaling going on in the late 1800s, but I think they probably just got sick and tired of high assholes running all over, dangerously operating heavy machinery, crashing their carts, and falling off their horses. Oh, and a father who is drunk/stoned all the time isn't much good to a family.

We're going to re-learn all those lessons all over again.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by crankylinuxuser on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:00AM (#19085300)
I vouched for your comment not because I agree with it, but I vehemently disagree. I also think your viewpoint is pervasive in more conservative circles.

We saw what happened in the Prohibition. When alcohol was criminalized, gang violence spiked, production was accidentally mixed with ethyl -and- methyl, tax revenues went down, and we as a populace was generally unsafer after than before. There were even cases where the US govt poisoned rumrunners' stocks to kill drinkers - they were doing something illegal, so US officials deemed it OK to kill people. It was bad enough that Congress and the president did another constitutional change to remove the ban.

With cannabis, it is mostly harmless and makes you feel weird. But as noted by Nixon and other republicans, banning and punishing cannabis users was being equated with targeting hippies and blacks.

And of course, cannabis usage completely ignores many health positive effects like prevention of nausea, glaucoma, and many others. It's not a cure-all, but the downsides are very very limited. Just compare this to say, the Sacklers' pushing of Oxycontin. I don't think "near harmless" can be used to discuss that.

When we look at harm minimization, making drugs illegal only pushes them underground, deprives tax dollars, increases violent groups to maintain illicit trade, and further reduces public safety. So yeah, you do have to look at the whole issue rather than "My uncle Jimbob sits around gettin' high". Whereas alcoholism and alcohol overdose is a significant issue which can kill people.. Yet we had that discussion a century ago, and we learned our lesson then.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by _Schizotypy on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:39AM (#19085595)
just as a quick FYI, the alcohol humans consume to become intoxicated is, and always has been, the ethyl- variety. Ethanol is poisonous as varying doses but methyl alcohol, or methanol, is FAR more dangerous. This is the compound that was poisoning people back in the days of prohibition due to lack of production controls. As a fun little side note, the concentration of ethanol in black market drink drastically increased during the days of prohibition because the moonshiners could fit more "bang for the buck" into a smaller volume making transport easier and more profitable. Smells quite a bit to me like the current fentanyl predicament of the black market heroin/opiate trade.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by i_am_nomad on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:06AM (#19085348)
I’m not an expert on conservative philosophy, but it seems like the conservative case for sobriety is that happiness and joy should be earned, and drugs are a short-circuit of that.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by 0xcde4c3db on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:40AM (#19085605)
I think that's part of the case part of the time, but it's definitely not the whole thing. Other prongs include purity (drugs are a corrupting influence) and tribalism/classism (drug use marks you as an inferior and unwelcome kind of person).
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by EpicEng on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:13AM (#19085405)
Who are you to tell others how they should find happiness?
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by i_am_nomad on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @11:39AM (#19086915)
To be clear, I'm simply stating what I perceive to be the kernel of the conservative argument against drugs. I'm not personally espousing any particular position on drug use.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by EpicEng on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @10:29AM (#19095818)
Was more of a general 'you'. I think they're more afraid of a counter culture than anything else. People get nasty when you threaten (or are perceived to threaten) their way of life.
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by _Schizotypy on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:40AM (#19085604)
who is ANYONE to tell others how they should find happiness, or what they can or cannot do with their own bodies in the privacy of their own homes?
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by chasd00 on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:37AM (#19085581)
and who are you to tell others how they should find happiness?
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by EpicEng on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:49AM (#19085696)
...I'm not?
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by nkrisc on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:53AM (#19085736)
Re-learn? Everything you described still happens regularly despite decades of warring against drugs (and even prohibition!).

> a father who is drunk/stoned all the time isn't much good to a family.

Have you ever wondered why they're drunk/stoned all the time? They're not a drunk because they're a drunk. They're a drunk for different reasons. They're depressed. They're not satisfied with their life or themselves. They're hurting. They're scared. They're angry. There's a reason for it and it's not because they can buy alcohol or drugs.

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by kingkawn on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:08AM (#19085371)
True, but destroying people’s lives with criminal records and the barbarism of the justice system is far worse than anything mushrooms have done
Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by Nursie on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:23AM (#19085495)
> Oh, and a father who is drunk/stoned all the time isn't much good to a family.

Yes, he's terrible.

Putting him in jail, and destroying any possibility of him getting a decent job, forever, hardly seems a constructive way forwards there though does it?

Re:Denver to vote on whether to decriminalize 'magic mushrooms' by _Schizotypy on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @09:34AM (#19085563)
not to mention drunk fathers still exist, as they did during the prohibition of alcohol.

stoned fathers still exist, during the current prohibition.