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Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:20AM (#19053829)
BD are a perfect example of one the french biggest weakness : we have awesome things, and we don't know how to sell them.

We do that all the time. The minitel. The credit card chips. Hell the TGV should have been everywhere, and we struggle to sell it to a few countries.

We are a superpower with only 70 millions of people working a mere 35 hours a week and so many occasions to skip work. That's damn impressive.

France could really shine more, technologically and culturally.

Did you know that the biggest (in term of sheer content mass, quality is more subjective) Python blog is a french one ? I know, because I wrote it. 1k articles, 700 being about python.

But it's like being french is a curse that forces you to do great things... And let them stuck in france forever.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by toolslive on Friday February 01, 2019 @09:17AM (#19054216)
It's also a French habit of pretending things are french. Specifically in the context of comics, it's at least Franco-Belgian (there's also a large culture of comics published in Dutch, which warrants its own genre these days).

Anyway, I leave it to the Germans to set the record straight on the smart-card. (and to the Polish to set the record straight about Marie Skłodowska)

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_comics
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:58AM (#19055846)
Are never said they were all french. But we did have innovative and robuts industries based on those techs.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by baby on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:05PM (#19055921)
Belgium is kind of like France to be honest (I'm french).
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:24PM (#19056145)
Their beer is way better though.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by yvdriess on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:09PM (#19058630)
The Flemish would typically beg to differ.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by baby on Friday February 01, 2019 @06:52PM (#19059929)
desole :D
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by dhruvparamhans on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:42AM (#19053984)
I don't see why you say that french BD follow the same fate as some of the other things you talk about.

From personal experience, growing up in India we always had either Astérix or Tintin to read. Even some of the lesser known works such as those by Giroud were available.

Now that I have been living and working in France for 6 years, one possible reason for this lack of penetration of french products is the language. There is very little effort to actually make the products accessible to the world at large. Now we may discuss the merits and demerits of this but the fact remains that if we want our products to be known all over the world, we have to make it known to the world. And most of the world speaks English.

Mes deux centimes.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by p0nce on Friday February 01, 2019 @09:31AM (#19054326)
> There is very little effort to actually make the products accessible to the world at large.

Exactly, we should stop searching for excuses.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by briandear on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:08AM (#19055267)
Except Tin Tin is Belgian..
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:13PM (#19056031)
Exactly, when we talk french bd, it's more things like "la quete de l'oiseau du temps", "fluide glacial", or "les chroniques de la lune noire".
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by dragandj on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:35AM (#19055579)
... and Rene Goscinny (the author of Asterix) was born in Poland...
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by wst_ on Friday February 01, 2019 @02:09PM (#19057386)
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sanbor on Friday February 01, 2019 @03:12PM (#19058023)
And lived in Argentina, Buenos Aires from the age of 2 to 18. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Goscinny#Early_life
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by dragandj on Friday February 01, 2019 @02:54PM (#19057827)
Sorry, my mistake. His parents were immigrants from Poland.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by dragandj on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:33AM (#19055557)
"Lesser know works" such as those by Giraud? The guy is practically the god of modern BD!
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @10:35AM (#19054908)
Saying asterix and tintin are well exported to demonstarte bd are a success outside france is like saying Saying being on netflix shows the total success of bollywood outside india.

But agreed, language is a big problem.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by rasz on Saturday February 02, 2019 @01:18AM (#19061467)
Language might play a role in this, with pretty aggressive aversion to communicating with outsiders in anything other than French.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by Zombiethrowaway on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:38PM (#19059467)
Case in point:

- the XIII comic series, very popular in Francophone countries but not much beyond

- The Bourne Supremacy, directly inspired by the series, a massive movie success worldwide.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by HiroshiSan on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:42AM (#19053982)
c'est la vie.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by B1FF_PSUVM on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:35PM (#19058890)
c'est la guerre, c'est la pomme de terre

('les biftecks' don't have an exclusive on silly rhymes)

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by titanix2 on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:09PM (#19060287)
I think this is because we are a socialist state: everything used to live or death by selling it to a government monopoly or was made by the state itself. In your examples: Minitel was developed by the Post ministry, TGV by the SNCF. In this context you have very few incentives to sell it abroad since these national companies are satisfied once the French people got the innovation.

We still have issues with this mentality: startups are created to surf on public money, often lacking a real technological advantage (e.g, "the sovereign cloud"). Some services such as Uber could not even have emerged since there conflict with an existing monopolies.

And finally there is the fiscal pressure which is killing the smart and medium companies while the biggest ones have very advantageous rates or even no tax to pay when foreign.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Saturday February 02, 2019 @10:37AM (#19063501)
Interesting point. Not sure the socialism itself is enough to expalain it, but the french way of applying socialism surely plays a role.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by porpoisely on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:34PM (#19056261)
France isn't a superpower and has never been. The french empire was once the strongest empire, but even then it wasn't a superpower, but we could be using different definitions of the word.

It's great that you maintain a python blog, but is it written in french or english? If it is in french, you are limiting your reach. And that's not just limited to french, it also applies to chinese, japanese, german, arabic, etc.

If you want to expand your reach, you have to use english as it is the lingua franca today.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by ekianjo on Friday February 01, 2019 @10:32AM (#19054885)
> Hell the TGV should have been everywhere

The TGV is one of the crappiest trains ever. It was made for businessmen/bureaucrats who travel with a satchel, they never realized that folks would actually go in it with suitcases since there is so little space to put them and they had to modify the inside of the trains after the fact to accommodate some space for it.

Also, they never considered that people with disabilities might want to board the train as you need to climb stairs even at the first level.

And let's not mention toilets are always broken and are washed like once a day or something which makes it look like you live in a developing country or something.

Compare that to the shinkansen in Japan and you are in for a good laugh.

Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by mrmcht on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:46AM (#19055728)
I like that all your comments on this thread are a variation of: "…Yes, but Japan is better!" It's not a competition buddy.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:06AM (#19055240)
You are confusing the trains and the way the trains are managed. It's like saying seats are too small on a340 planes: there are not sold with it on the first place.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by julienchastang on Friday February 01, 2019 @10:54AM (#19055078)
Funny. The last time I was in a TGV, I can indeed confirm the lavatory was broken. Specifically, I discovered the sink spigot did not work only after I had soaped my hands.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by sametmax on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:59AM (#19055862)
It's true in a lot of french trains, not just the tgv. Not a technical problem, but a logistic one.
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by zilian on Saturday February 02, 2019 @09:11AM (#19063046)
I take the TGV weekly. It has greatly improved and is top class in the world with Japan right now. Have you tried American trains ? ;)
Re:In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business by baby on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:06PM (#19055936)
Compared to american trains, lol.