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Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by zimpenfish on Friday February 01, 2019 @02:55AM (#19052421)
> Compare this account from a reporter at VentureBeat – who also happens to be a member of the California State Bar

Not since 2007 - http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Licensee/Detail/215049

And his CV suggests he only practiced any law at all between 2001 and 2004 - http://www.jhorwitz.com/jhresume.pdf

Disingenuous of both him and you to claim he has any authority to speak from a legal point of view on this, really, no?

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by gojomo on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:02AM (#19052680)
Not really disingenuous; from looking at his resume, I hadn't noticed his bar membership had expired. (And, it's interesting that his resume reports him as active through 2017.)

But still, a legal degree, one-time certification, and some legal practice are kind of relevant, compared to anonymous commenters who are just insisting by repetition "but that's not a 'contractor'!"

Is it your reasoned argument that an individual receiving payment for services rendered to a corporation, under the terms of a mutually-agreed contract, is not a "contractor" in the eyes of the law?

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by zimpenfish on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:30AM (#19053086)
> Not really disingenuous; from looking at his resume, I hadn't noticed his bar membership had expired.

Ok, I'll remove you from the disingenuous. He stays though because he should definitely mention it on his CV.

> a legal degree, one-time certification, and some legal practice are kind of relevant

Yep, he's definitely probably got more standing than anonymous commenters. But that's a low bar. He didn't practice contract law (it was transactional IP) and it was 14 years ago - it's an almost certainty he isn't au fait with current contract or employment law.

> Is it your reasoned argument

I don't have one knowing nothing about US contract or employment law. My layperson viewpoint is that it's quite clear they weren't Facebook contractors in the terms of the Apple agreement.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by gojomo on Friday February 01, 2019 @02:26PM (#19057547)
"Quite clear" is not an argument, it's an empty assertion.

IANAL, but I know the rough outlines of US contract and employment law as a frequent party to contracts, occasionally to disputes, and as a US person who has both contracted others and been a contract worker.

If you have a contract (which doesn't even have to be written), you're a contractor. Full stop. And, an agreement to provide payment in return for performing certain actions (like installing an app, leaving it running, answering questionnaires, maintaining confidentiality, etc) is a contract, even if it's a clickthrough agreement. Ergo, compensated research panelists are 'contractors' in the eyes of the law.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by zimpenfish on Saturday February 02, 2019 @03:45PM (#19065604)
> "Quite clear" is not an argument

Yes, and I explicitly said I didn't have an argument but only my "layperson viewpoint".

> IANAL, but I know the rough outlines of US contract

Great. I don't care. Argue with other people about that. All I wanted to do was correct the perception that the journalist was a member of the bar and had some kind of legal standing.