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Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by d2viant on Sunday November 14, 2010 @08:45PM (#1904889)
This is an interesting opportunity to profit from. This company has massive expectations baked into it's stock price (NASDAQ: OPEN), trading at over a hundred times earnings. It's being massively shorted by the hedge funds. Combine the fact that there's relatively no barrier to entry with the rumors that their customer base isn't very satisfied makes for a huge opportunity to profit in the short/medium term.
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by krosaen on Sunday November 14, 2010 @09:27PM (#1904989)
No barrier to entry? Don't they outfit each customer with a complete table management system including the hardware?
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by d2viant on Sunday November 14, 2010 @09:43PM (#1905014)
That's not a huge barrier though. The restaurant didn't have some outlay of capital for that hardware that is going to motivate their decision to switch. When they cancel their OpenTable contract, they'll just send the hardware back.

This seems like an opportune space for a startup to compete in. You could easily sell the online reservation service for a fraction of what OT is charging and just skip the hardware nonsense. The hardware and table management system could be a separate product or service.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by krosaen on Sunday November 14, 2010 @09:56PM (#1905040)
I would hope so, but I remember reading that the hardware was one of the keys to their success; "here plug this in, it will do your table management. And by the way, people can make reservations now too." Maybe now a competitor could get by just having a really good ipad app for the restaurants (is this what urban spoon's rez is?)
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by d2viant on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:04PM (#1905049)
Here's what I'm thinking. I'm already working on a startup, so I'll give this one away for free.

Build the web app portion that allows reservations to be made from the customers perspective, just like they have now. Integrate it with Twilio so that the restaurant receives an automated call and can confirm/deny the reservation on their end, without having to deal with a bunch of new hardware. You just tell them that they're going to receive a phone call with the reservation information and the options. There's little or no training required on their side, no additional hardware, minimal integration, no new systems. It's a more organic transition for a restaurant when you're trying to talk them into becoming a customer.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by sshumaker on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:40PM (#1905122)
You're missing half of the equation - It's not just the act of performing the reservation, it allows customers to search for to see if which restaurants have availability (and at what time). You can't do that unless you have access to all of their seating data, including walk-ins.
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by stevenwei on Monday November 15, 2010 @01:23AM (#1905438)
Yup, and accessing table availability requires integrating with the restaurant's point of sale system so you can track when tables are getting seated and cleared.

Innovating technology wise in the restaurant space is pretty tough cause sooner or later you're going to hit the wall of having to integrate with a dozen or more point of sale providers, no matter what you're trying to do (mobile/online ordering, reservation/waitlist systems, reporting systems, etc).

Oh, and because of their incredibly low profit margins, most restaurants can't afford to buy this type of tech. And the ones that do typically keep it for 5+ years between upgrades.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by jamiequint on Monday November 15, 2010 @02:36AM (#1905579)
How bad is the barrier to entry though on the software side really? It's my understanding that Micros/Aloha (Radiant Systems) own 50-80% of the restaurant industry. If you hit that percentage with just two integrations it's really not that bad right?
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by stevenwei on Monday November 15, 2010 @03:15AM (#1905659)
Micros and Aloha are definitely the biggest two, and it makes the most sense to start there. But you also have to keep in mind that they both have multiple product lines (plus legacy systems), each with different capabilities and SDKs.

The worst part is dealing across vendors though. The APIs are incredibly inconsistent between them, and some are frankly, crippled.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by oddboy on Monday November 15, 2010 @11:48AM (#1906901)
who is going to disrupt the restaurant business by offering both the web-based POS AND reservation system bundled into a single product/service?

solves the problem of having access to seating data and provides a compelling upgrade option compared to alternatives. hardware just needs to be a "dumb" Internet terminal (likely with a touch screen and print capabilities).

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by aplusbi on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:13PM (#1905068)
OpenTable is 24/7 and from the customer's perspective, instantaneous. A phone-based backend would not be able to compete.
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by ladon86 on Monday November 15, 2010 @05:11AM (#1905847)
I had this idea about 2 months ago and thought quite seriously about it, for the reasons you described.

But there are a lot of issues. How do you confirm to the customer that their booking went through? What if no-one answers? The customer experience just isn't that great.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by stevenwei on Monday November 15, 2010 @12:38AM (#1905350)
The other big barrier is integrating their reservation system with whatever point of sale system the restaurant is using. (Of which there are many. All with different SDKs. Most of which cost lots of money to get access to).

A reservation/waitlist system that doesn't interact with the restaurant's point of sale system is mostly pointless as you need to be able to track real time table availability.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by danielharan on Monday November 15, 2010 @12:15AM (#1905308)
Is it legal to short a company and enter the market with an OSS solution or other competitive offer?
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by scottrafer on Monday November 15, 2010 @02:25AM (#1905552)
Yes, it's legal.
Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by gphil on Sunday November 14, 2010 @09:45PM (#1905021)
> It's being massively shorted by the hedge funds.

Just out of curiosity, who are "the hedge funds" and how do you know this? Is there some way of researching who is shorting what?

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by d2viant on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:00PM (#1905045)
I've been following this company for awhile from a financial perspective, which is how I know. The most prominent hedge fund to short has been Whitney Tilson's T2 Partners', but they're just one among many -- 35% of the floated stock is short now.

I don't know of any way to research who is shorting what other than SEC filings. Mutual/Hedge funds have to report this information on a quarterly basis.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by chipsy on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:37PM (#1905117)
There are a few common signs in institutional shorting, that may be used to determine short interest in absence of official filings, share counts, or other data, but they mostly require a low-volume market to see clearly:

The accumulation/distribution line is strongly inverse to price(It's an indicator based on buy/sell volume. Normally, an accumulation precedes price rise while a distribution is in tandem with a selloff. When shorting, the long-term trend goes the opposite way - there's more buying than selling, yet price consistently drifts down. Caveat: being based on a composite of price/volume/time, it's not totally accurate and even changes dramatically across time scales. )

Market-maker quotes on Level II behave unusually in response to buys or sells(on small, low-volume stocks in particular, MMs are sometimes colluding forces and will "paint the chart" with tiny trades that, in a fair market, would not affect quotes).

Message boards for the ticker symbol suddenly see the appearance of paid bashers who will repeat negative news multiple times a day.

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With a lot of heavily shorted stocks, the company is fundamentally weak to begin with. However, even a very solid company is vulnerable if it's starting from a low market cap. So - in general - take the appearance of a large short position as a sign to either join them or get out. To see a short squeeze the float has to be very tight, and the stock needs to be forced into a speculative frenzy with good news or just big buyers. The long-run odds always favor companies failing.

OPEN is a big-board stock with a large valuation and volume right now, so I wouldn't expect shorts to be obvious enough that you can see these indicators. As well, their dirtiest tricks are reserved for pennies. They have the lowest risk there, since market cap is so small that they can absorb most price rises.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by jakarta on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:17PM (#1905080)
You can see what the short interest is on a stock to get a gauge of how shorted it is.

Plus if you have access to one of the online idea boards for hedge funds, you can see the write ups from analysts that believe OpenTable is a short -- sometimes they disclose whether or not their fund is short the company as well.

I am counting 4 of those write ups right now.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by bretthopper on Monday November 15, 2010 @01:07PM (#1907216)
"online idea boards for hedge funds"

Any more info on these?

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by stevenwei on Monday November 15, 2010 @01:36AM (#1905477)
I think people generally underestimate the sales challenges associated with selling tech to restaurants. Restaurant owners are too busy running their restaurants to be looking for this stuff themselves.

That's why Groupon, Yelp, and OpenTable all have massive sales forces dedicated to finding and acquiring new restaurants. This costs money. The same pretty much applies to every other restaurant technology company, ever. (Particularly point of sale companies.)

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by smackfu on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:35AM (#1906555)
It's also worth noting that the $10.04 in the article includes a portion of the startup fees. So dropping OpenTable for some new solution wouldn't necessarily make financial sense since you would need to pay the startup fees for the new solution. And retrain your staff, etc.

It's debatable whether the startup fees should be included in the per-table cost anyways, given that is a sunk cost.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by jakarta on Sunday November 14, 2010 @09:25PM (#1904985)
That's basically the essence of capital cycle theory isn't it?

Wherever you see high valuations and high returns on capital, competition is bound to come in, which gradually reduces returns and valuations.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by herdrick on Sunday November 14, 2010 @10:14PM (#1905072)
> no barrier to entry

There's a pretty big network effect.

Re:Is OpenTable Worth it? by waterlesscloud on Sunday November 14, 2010 @11:18PM (#1905201)
You only have to take this on in a particular market to start. It makes no difference that OT has restaurants in NYC if you're competing in SF.