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Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by defen on Thursday January 31, 2019 @12:02AM (#19042483)
> To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages.

That is not at all obvious. How would you respond to Elizabeth Warren's "The Two-Income Trap"?

Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by OurBoysGirls1st on Thursday January 31, 2019 @12:34AM (#19042619)
Thanks for bringing up this point. Anyone who has grown up in the US knows well how far down wages have gone.

My father was an accountant. He could afford a house and raised a family of 5 on his salary at age 40, earning ~60k/yr. I'm an experienced developer. I make $200k/yr. I'm raising a family of 4 on my salary and i'm 40. I cant afford a house. Heck, I cant even afford more than a 2br apt.

To me, it is completely meaningless that i earn 3x+ than my dad, the wages have not kept up with inflation. My 200k/yr doesnt buy me as much as 60k did a generation ago.

How is this "no loss in jobs or lowering of wages". If anything this demonstrates that Increasing supply lowers wages.

Who knew, economics was right all along!

Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by rswail on Thursday January 31, 2019 @02:37AM (#19043137)
It's not that wages haven't kept up with general inflation, it's that wages have not kept up with asset inflation.

So your 200K/year (accounting for inflation) probably buys roughly the same amount in goods and services as your father, but it can't buy real estate, because that has been inflated in an asset bubble.

These asset bubbles (stocks, real estate) are driven by the fact that owners of capital have been able to depress taxation on capital growth, while increasing (in proportion) taxation on income. They have also been able to use the US national debt to let the Fed maintain their asset bubbles.

Not to mention that in your father's day, inflation ate away at debt, much to the chagrin of the debt holders (ie suppliers of capital). Funnily enough, low inflation has meant that lenders do much better than borrowers.

Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by NeedMoreTea on Thursday January 31, 2019 @02:43AM (#19043156)
That was always one of the advantages of a mortgage that was commonly mentioned and promoted. That your monthly payment would be effectively pennies after 20 years. Sustained low inflation meant that never came to pass.

It was also one of the reasons for the Weimar Republic's hyperinflation. They started trying to inflate away some of the Versailles war reparations. Which got out of control, and then some.

Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by throwaway2048 on Thursday January 31, 2019 @03:11AM (#19043275)
Asset inflation is a part of inflation, unfortunately along with education and healthcare, our inflation indicators do an extremely poor job of measuring it.
Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by mjfl on Thursday January 31, 2019 @03:41AM (#19043385)
There are plenty of places in the USA where $200k will get you very far, you just choose not to live there. You have to account for the fact that you're paying for that.
Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by adrianN on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:02AM (#19044720)
It's probably a lot harder to make $200k in those places.
Re:U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers by sien on Thursday January 31, 2019 @05:52AM (#19043886)
Just for reference, in 1980 60K is about 174K today.

https://www.officialdata.org/1980-dollars-in-2016?amount=600...

Also, housing is the one thing that has really shot up in price in many places in the US.

Cars, computers, food, clothing and manufactured goods have plummeted in price.

Education and health costs have also increased substantially.