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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by bascule on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:33PM (#19003638)
Might want to check the names on this IETF draft... https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mls-protocol-02.html
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:08PM (#19003806)
One Facebook author and like apple iMessages which used xmpp they lock the anchor certificate to a walled garden.

They're writing standards and deploying closed ecologies.

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tptacek on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:35PM (#19004786)
I'm not getting the sense from you that you're especially familiar with how this particular IETF effort came together.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:01PM (#19009699)
True. Since i'm familiar with Richard Barnes I'll ask him in Prague.

Your comments in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16325803 seem relevant.

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tptacek on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:10PM (#19009734)
I'm not optimistic about MLS, the standard. I also don't think it's a secret plot against open protocols.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:19PM (#19009790)
I don't think I am a secret plot believer. I just observe apple and others deploy group communication software and person to person as walled gardens even when they use xmpp and like protocols.