Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, Instagram and Messenger

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:30PM (#19003621)

Oh, if only we had some activity to define open standards so we could do secure interpersonal message with any app using common standard protocols and cryptography.

Oh wait. We do. That's what the IETF is for. We just let pricks like Zuckerberg run closed gardens because we suck at using choice to walk to things like signal.

Go signal!

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by bascule on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:33PM (#19003638)

Might want to check the names on this IETF draft... https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mls-protocol-02.html

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:08PM (#19003806)

One Facebook author and like apple iMessages which used xmpp they lock the anchor certificate to a walled garden.

They're writing standards and deploying closed ecologies.

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tptacek on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:35PM (#19004786)

I'm not getting the sense from you that you're especially familiar with how this particular IETF effort came together.

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:01PM (#19009699)

True. Since i'm familiar with Richard Barnes I'll ask him in Prague.

Your comments in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16325803 seem relevant.

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tptacek on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:10PM (#19009734)

I'm not optimistic about MLS, the standard. I also don't think it's a secret plot against open protocols.

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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ggm on Saturday January 26, 2019 @08:19PM (#19009790)

I don't think I am a secret plot believer. I just observe apple and others deploy group communication software and person to person as walled gardens even when they use xmpp and like protocols.

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