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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by fortenforge on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:08PM (#19000570)
What application would you say has "real" e2e encryption? Signal and all the other apps have exactly the same problem right? If you don't compare your keys offline, you're always at risk for this attack. You can't build cryptography out of sand.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by mach5 on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:16PM (#19000641)
keybase does! https://keybase.io/
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by lucb1e on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:55PM (#19001111)
You're saying at Keybase you don't have to compare your fingerprints out of band?
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by 0xb100db1ade on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:16PM (#19004075)
Correct. Key verification is done by looking at signatures on a given user's linked social networks / websites etc
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tyfon on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:34PM (#19004160)
How does it handle DNS spoofing or ip redirection?

And what happens if you have no social networks / websites like me? HN is probably the closest I got to a social network online.

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by indigo945 on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:21PM (#19000717)
How does keybase do key exchanges?
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by AnaniasAnanas on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:31PM (#19000844)
Software that uses the user's public key as the user's identifier (or potentially something that uses namecoin) do not have this issue - consider tox and ricochet for example.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by ATsch on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:36PM (#19003650)
This isn't really a solution, though. It's just moving the problem somewhere else. The problem then becomes things such as linking existing Third Party Identifiers like email, phone numbers etc. to the users key (which most regular users want to be able to do). The idea of a user per key in general also becomes problematic with multi-device usage or a device compromise. You will not be able to revoke access to any device without throwing away your whole identity.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by rhizome on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:16PM (#19000637)
At the very least, Signal notifies on rekeying and in both the desktop and Android versions it doesn't appear to be changeable.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by indigo945 on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:21PM (#19000707)
WhatsApp also notifies on rekeying. A yellow message is shown warning that "your conversation partner's security codes have changed" or something of the sort.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by kikoreis on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:45PM (#19001721)
It's an option. And it's disabled by default.