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Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by atonse on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:36PM (#19000240)
We currently don't allow our son to watch anything on youtube, simply because it's a cesspool of horrible videos for children. You're always almost one click away from some violent video where cartoon characters are getting their limbs chopped off, etc. And it's sickening that Google's done nothing about it.

Secondly, I can't watch any video without it taking over my recommendations. Alex Jones for example. I still haven't watched an Alex Jones video (I was curious about what rubbish he spews), without worrying that I'll get a bunch of delusional hyper-conservative drivel taking over my recommendations.

There should be a way to watch a video once and not have it take over your recommendations.

On the one hand, we find that we're making great strides in certain areas with ML. On the other hand, recommendation systems are still just so, so, so naive and bad.

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by brianpgordon on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:52PM (#19001812)
What do you want them to do? I'm an adult who uses YouTube and I don't want sanitized kid-friendly recommendations just so that you can protect your son's eyes from cartoon violence. In fact, several of the creators I like have been pinched hard by changes to the All-Powerful Algorithm which seem to be deliberately de-emphasizing anything that could be remotely considered offensive, and it's not fair to them at all.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by mactrey on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:03PM (#19001950)
There should be a "parental controls" toggle.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by mcrittenden on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:34PM (#19003916)
YouTube Kids is a separate app. Does that not suffice?
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by sincerely on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:16PM (#19004331)
No, YouTube Kids has the same problem. Content on it isn't really vetted in any way.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by gundmc on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:43AM (#19004966)
Have you used YouTube Kids recently? You can set it to "Approved Only Mode" which only allows kids to view human-vetted videos.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by sincerely on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:16AM (#19032886)
That's good to hear!
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by intertextuality on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:49PM (#19004826)
Employ human curated collections, no algorithms. There is simply no other way that guaranteed kid-friendly content will exist in a space. Otherwise people will game the algorithms and you get Elsa-gate.

I’ve talked about this before, but if you have kids, the only surefire solution is curating the videos yourself and downloading them. Then playing them offline. Anything else is a gamble, which may or may not be the route you want to take.

YT cracking down on videos also has a lot to do with skittish advertisers. I’m not sure if a solution is possible other than utilizing Patreon, librepay, etc. Even if you don’t make “controversial” content, that’s what most people do these days for consistency, as well as merchandise.

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by gundmc on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:44AM (#19004977)
YouTube Kids is a separate app and it has an option to only allow human-vetted videos. From the support site:

"In this setting, your child will only be able to watch videos, channels and collections that you have hand-picked. Collections are videos and channels grouped by topics, such as science and music, picked by the YouTube Kids teams or our partners."

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by intertextuality on Sunday January 27, 2019 @08:37AM (#19011622)
Sorry to be so cynical, but I do not trust youtube whatsoever. Do you trust random "partners" of youtube? I don't.

YT has proven themselves incapable time and time again when it comes to dealing with human support and services. I cannot read PR text from them and just believe it.

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by platzer on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:41PM (#19003947)
How about employing 10 people of this massive platform to curate some channels that people can easily subscribe to? It could literally be advertised to be kids-friendly and not dumb etc.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by Ivoirians on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:25PM (#19001494)
If you delete a video from your Youtube watch history, it doesn't get used for recommendations anymore.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/95725?hl=en

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by colejohnson66 on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:19PM (#19002097)
My anecdotal experience agrees. I cleared my watch history and then all my recommendations changed from being tech related to more pop culture oriented for a few weeks
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by rasz on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:43PM (#19003326)
Its a Lie. I have YT watch history disabled for hmm 2 years now, recommendations "work" just the same.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by londons_explore on Saturday January 26, 2019 @04:11AM (#19005568)
Disabling it != Removing a single item from the list.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by rasz on Saturday January 26, 2019 @04:20PM (#19008571)
" When you pause history, any videos that you watch while history is paused won't show in history and won’t be used to improve your recommendations."

is a lie

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by jobigoud on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:02PM (#19002457)
Unless you have history disabled entirely.

Why can't we opt out completely from "recommendations"?

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by alttab on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:37PM (#19000256)
>> There should be a way to watch a video once and not have it take over your recommendations.

Log out.

Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by nwellnhof on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:47PM (#19000371)
You can't log out of the YouTube Android app anymore. There's only an incognito mode.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by propogandist on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:06PM (#19003481)
Newpipe
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by zcid on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:47PM (#19004817)
Or if you want the official experience: https://vanced.app
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by alttab on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:55PM (#19001844)
Don't use the app
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by atonse on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:37PM (#19001623)
Even if you logout, your anonymous session has its own set of recommendations. No?
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by alttab on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:55PM (#19001842)
Disable cookies
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by rasz on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:47PM (#19003360)
you will get served "interests shared by users from that particular IP", google helpfully assuming its a single household.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by zenkat on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:33PM (#19004400)
Yeah, those Tom & Jerry cartoons are HORRIBLE.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by imhelpingu on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:55PM (#19004244)
Thanks for sharing your personal opinion about videos you've never watched.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by InclinedPlane on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:27PM (#19004770)
Nobody needs to watch an Alex Jones video to have an opinion on the man. He is a garbage person who spreads lies and propaganda. This isn't an opinion, this is Jones' own admission in court of what his program represents.
Re:Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube by imhelpingu on Saturday January 26, 2019 @07:03PM (#19009411)
Yeah, and similarly nobody needed to bring him up in this thread at all. But don't think too hard about that.