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Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by busterarm on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:56AM (#18999817)
No, it really is the finance department. Boards vote on the CEO and serve as his advisors and that is certainly not the correct metaphor.

More importantly, Congress sets the budget through the House and Senate budget committees, which then draft and pass appropriations bills. This is the point in the process where we are stuck.

The President is saying "bring me budget bills that have the things I want and I won't veto them" and Congress is saying no. It's nothing new really, barely anyone knows basic civics and so people are letting their emotions drive their opinions.

Both parties here are playing games that affect peoples' lives and are both worthy of blame.

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by bilbo0s on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:11PM (#18999970)
Again, I'd have to respectfully disagree here.

The US Treasury Department is most analogous to the finance department of most corporations. Which, incidentally, is also shutdown right now because the board and the ceo told them to close. (Just as an additional point of fact, the finance department of many organizations does not set departmental budgets. That's not how it works. One of the reasons they exist is to, "finance", projects. Which could involve the use of any number of financial vehicles.)

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by busterarm on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:14PM (#18999999)
Congressional appropriations bills are exactly how projects get financed in government. All this does it make it all the more clear to me that you don't know how this process works.

You still have provided zero justification for Congress being the "board" even though it is a terrible metaphor.

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by bilbo0s on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:24PM (#19000126)
Wow.

Relax guy. We can just agree to disagree. No worries.

I just thought that since the Founders' intended congress to act as a check and balance on the president it's pretty much analogous to the boards that act as a check and balance on a given ceo in your average corporate structure. It also seemed reasonable to view Treasury as the finance department.

But seriously, no worries if you see things differently. No biggie man.

You have a nice rest of your day.

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by leereeves on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:36PM (#19000241)
Boards are very much like the parliament in a parliamentary system. Voters/shareholders elect the parliament/board who appoint the prime minister/CEO.

There just isn't a good analogy to be found with the US system because corporations don't have the same structure as the US government.

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by hannasanarion on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:05PM (#18999909)
That is the point in the process where we are stuck now, but not where the sticking began a month ago. Trump had a perfectly good budget on his desk, written by his allies and passed by Republicans, and it even had wall funding in it, and he vetoed it because it wasn't enough. Then the government shut down. Then the Democrats took control.
Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by leereeves on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:18PM (#19002563)
You posted a similar fiction more than once so I'll post the same correction in both places.

The House passed a budget bill that included wall funding.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678602214/senate-approves-tem...

It never reached the President's desk because the Senate failed to pass a compatible budget bill when Democrats refused to include any funding for a wall.

> Senate Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer, of New York, pledged to continue the discussions, but said it was clear there are not enough votes to pass a spending measure that includes funding for a wall along the nation’s southern border.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/gove...

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by hannasanarion on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:28PM (#19003203)
The house only passed that bill because Trump called Paul Ryan personally and said he would veto the bipartisan budget that was on the table and passed by the Senate. This is no fiction, it is Trump's shutdown
Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by leereeves on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:38PM (#19003287)
Everyone knows Trump's refusing to sign a budget without wall funding, that's no secret.

The part you left out is that the Democrats blocked a bill with wall funding, even before they took over the House. Trump never "had a perfectly good budget on his desk, written by his allies and passed by Republicans".

Both parties put this issue ahead of the continued operation of the government and both are responsible for the shutdown.

Re:US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages by jki275 on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:16PM (#19000029)
Trump hasn't vetoed anything.

Neither party has "had control" in the senate for years. It takes 60 votes in the senate to pass a budget, and neither party has had that.

The situation is far more complex than you're stating it.