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Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by madeofpalk on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:28AM (#18998737)
iMessage, though operating at a smaller scale than WhatsApp
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by bouncing on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:09AM (#18999187)
Indeed! iMessage should get an honorable mention. Having lived outside of the US for a few years, sometimes I forget it exists, because here even people who both have iPhones use WhatsApp. iMessage deserves an honorable mention, but with some caveats. As I recall and quickly Googled:

There have been some concerns with their security:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/03/imessage_encr...

https://www.pandasecurity.com/mediacenter/technology/need-kn...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/imessage-weak-encryption-m...

Additionally, iMessage doesn't have any means of out-of-band key verification, so you actually have to trust Apple to faithfully exchange keys and there's no way to verify that it's done so.

iMessage also tells you after a message is sent (via the color of a bubble) whether the recipient received it using iMessage. That's not very good assurance if, say, you're messaging a journalist in an authoritarian country. Will it go out over SMS or iMessage? You can find out, but even a little bit of doubt about that can have significant consequences.

I'm glad iMessage does do encryption like it does, but it's no replacement for Signal and WhatsApp uses libsignal for its encryption.

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by nathankunicki on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:25PM (#19000131)
You can turn off the SMS fallback to ensure it gets delivered via iMessage.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tome on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:19AM (#18999356)
> you actually have to trust Facebook

Do you mean "you have to trust Apple"? I don't see what Facebook has to do with iMessage.

[EDIT: Now corrected above. Thanks!]

Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by bouncing on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:08PM (#18999935)
Think-o.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by deca6cda37d0 on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:32AM (#18999537)
The colour of the send button tells you if it’s an iMessage or a text message.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by reaperducer on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:38PM (#19000269)
Yes, and no. If you send a message to someone you've most recently conversed with on iMessage, it will be blue. But if iMessage can't deliver the message, it will fall back to using text messages. I believe on the next attempt, the button will be green, but I don't have a way to test that right now.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by briandear on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:23PM (#19001467)
No, it will ask you if you want to send as text. It doesn’t do it without you explicitly allowing it.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by reaperducer on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:23PM (#19002606)
As recently as last weekend, I had it go through as green instead of blue without asking because the recipient was in a no-data area. Perhaps because I'd previously approved green messages for that person.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by polskibus on Friday January 25, 2019 @01:22PM (#19000726)
Didn't China receive special access to iMessage from Apple?
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by briandear on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:22PM (#19001458)
If iCloud backups are enabled, then, yes, keys are in China. If you aren’t using iCloud backups, then no.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In... by tpowell on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:33PM (#19004154)
They began letting another company handle iCloud data in China—one that complies with Chinese law[1]. Same-same, but very different.

[1]https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351