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Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by mcintyre1994 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @11:20AM (#18990019)
I doubt it's news to many here, but Bad Blood is an amazing book on Theranos. It doesn't follow as far as the deposition (I had no idea she was facing 20 years!) but I'd highly recommend it for anyone interested in this story. The audiobook is great too.
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by burtonator on Thursday January 24, 2019 @11:44AM (#18990276)
I was listening to an interview with the author and he made a somewhat valid point that it's part of the 'tech culture' to fake it until you make it.

However, at the same time apparently Larry Ellison was advising her. During the early phase of Oracle's history one of their chief criticisms is over-promising on timelines to keep existing customers on their product so that they assumed something was going to ship in 90 days only to ship 1.5 years later.

However, Theranos took this to the edge and just flat out lied about products that they didn't have.

They were promising revolutionary breakthoughs not evolutionary.

Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by tguedes on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:03PM (#18990475)
They fooled everyone. Idk if you read the book but they fooled EVERYONE. Their board: included William Perry (former Secretary of Defense), Henry Kissinger (former Secretary of State), Sam Nunn (former U.S. Senator), Bill Frist (former U.S. Senator and heart-transplant surgeon), Gary Roughead (Admiral, USN, retired), James Mattis (General, USMC), Richard Kovacevich (former Wells Fargo Chairman and CEO) and Riley Bechtel (chairman of the board and former CEO at Bechtel Group). Henry Kissinger was on their board!

Investors: by the Walton family ($150 million), Rupert Murdoch ($121 million), Betsy DeVos ($100 million), the Cox family (of Cox Media Group) ($100 million), and Robert Kraft (of the New England Patriots).

You would figure there was no faking these people out. How do you dupe former Secretary of States and Generals whom are supposed to be some of the most stringent, dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. It's just an amazing story of how personality can change everything and cause people to have massive blindspots.

Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by samstave on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:17PM (#18990625)
Part of the reason she was able to fool such highly prominent people is due to her coming from really old money in the US - with her Fleischmann's Yeast family lineage - her family was in the upper echelons of US monied families (think robber baron class-money).
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by emaginniss on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:27PM (#18990746)
Historically, yes, but her immediate family was not particularly wealthy, lived a middle-class lifestyle, and was even in difficult financial straits at times. I think they had the remnants of money on them, but not the actual capital.
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by naniwaduni on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:37PM (#18990856)
An illustration of how wealth and power, inherited across generations, consists of far more than just liquid assets.
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by micah94 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:11PM (#18990571)
I haven't read the book. I would like to because I have a hard time believing a story where that list of people you mention are "fooled".
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by acdanger on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:16PM (#18990612)
It seemed to me that they weren't actively "fooled", rather they didn't perform the due diligence you would expect a board member to perform before signing up. But I got the impression this might not be uncommon among startup boards.

Also if I recall, there was a lack of medical knowledge on the board as well which surely contributed to the failures in oversight.

Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by sah2ed on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:00PM (#18990441)
> However, at the same time apparently Larry Ellison was advising her.

Interesting, considering Steve Jobs acknowledged Ellison as his best friend after his return to Apple, at a time when Oracle was considered the 2nd largest software company in the world. It makes sense that she would turn to Ellison for advice all in the name of trying to be like her idol, Steve Jobs.

Holmes underestimated the amount of technical risk she needed to overcome to succeed in the marketplace, as did the Google founders when Larry Page initially came up with PageRank but had no clue just how long it would take to download the entire web to disk. But the Google guys unlike Holmes had a lot of help from their advisors combined with Stanford university resources, which allowed them to stay immune to investor pressure to show results for invested capital.

For a technology like finger-prick based tests to succeed, you’ll need to expend millions of USD in a university research lab before you begin to see promising results that are repeatable. Essentially, Theranos should have started out as a science project (like BackRub which birthed Google) and not as a startup. She picked the wrong vehicle for her mission.

Ellison on the other hand piggy-backed on a seminal 1970 paper by IBM researcher: E.F. Codd to launch Oracle [0]. In those days, hierarchical and network databases were the competing database paradigms. Codd’s paper introduced the relational model as the third competing paradigm which turned out to be vastly simpler than the other models. The simplicity afforded by RDBMSes unlocked a lot of value and ultimately created wealth for the database industry.

0: https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/builders/builders_c...

Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by Reason077 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @11:32AM (#18990139)
Jennifer Lawrence is said to be playing Holmes in the film adaptation.
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by knodi123 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @11:40AM (#18990233)
convenient when an actress who already really looks like the subject, also happens to be an academy award winning actress!
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by ModernMech on Thursday January 24, 2019 @11:44AM (#18990279)
Lawrence does lack the sociopath gaze though. She'll have to work on perfecting that to really channel Holmes.
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by pgc on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:00PM (#18990443)
Are sociopaths like Holmes born or made?
Re:Theranos CEO Says 'I Don't Know' 600+ Times in Deposition by kempbellt on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:03PM (#18990477)
Yes