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Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by cronix on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:27PM (#18973245)
> The nuclear option is probably to just stop selling their products in Australia.

Someone needs to. With EU laws, Australian laws, US laws, and more and more every day, the internet is rapidly becoming a tool of the least common denominator. In other words, whatever country has the toughest laws will govern the planetary internet system as all others will have to follow by extension. Apple, for example, can't make an iphone for every country to comply with that countries individual laws that differ from every other country, which also change with a regular basis.

Of course though, there will always be hackers skating on top relatively free. We're becoming a two-tiered internet. The relatively few who know how to get around the restrictions, and everybody else.

All Apple has to do is float the possibility they may not sell their products in Australia anymore, and point out why. The rest would take care of itself.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by hazz99 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:31PM (#18973286)
As an Australian with Apple products, I really hope Apple pulls out of the market. Some large entity definitely needs to take a stand.
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by quicklime on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:55PM (#18974159)
In this specific case, I hope that's the outcome. But in the general case, I hope we don't end up in a world where global megacorps have that much sway over governments (maybe we're in that world already...)
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by hamhock666 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:20PM (#18974378)
I don't think it is necessarily the sway of corporations as much as the sway of the citizens. If Apple got out of Australia it could cause a lot of media attention which could get citizens riled up, especially if they could no longer get Apple products.
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by cronix on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:55PM (#18974621)
> If Apple got out of Australia it could cause a lot of media attention which could get citizens riled up

All they'd really have to do is announce that they are considering it. Just write up an analysis and stick it on their website. The world will notice, immediately. How many hours do you think it would take before it was a major news story everywhere?

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by Jach on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:34PM (#18974474)
> Apple, for example, can't make an iphone for every country to comply with that countries individual laws that differ from every other country, which also change with a regular basis.

Well, they can. You can do a lot when you're a trillion dollar company. It's just grossly inefficient and ugly and they'll try to avoid it if they can, sharing as much as possible when they can't, the same way everyone deals with multiple possible configurations they have to support. I too hope they put their foot down, though.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by cronix on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:51PM (#18974598)
Yes I should have said impractical.

I'd hate to think of what a special iPhone would cost just for the Australian market, which is relatively small, should Apple (and others) decide to not foist this on everyone else world-wide. Just come out with different hardware that's easier to hack just for Australia - only to be sold in Australia, and charge appropriately. Make them pay more to be less secure. It would be justifiable if the hardware was different for a smaller market. It's no different than if they came up with their own cellular system that was incompatible with international standards. It would cost more to build for it because it's a small market with unique requirements.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by azinman2 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @09:50PM (#18975234)
That would be fundamentally against Apple’s values.

Disclosure: I work for Apple.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by confounded on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:38PM (#18983908)
iMessage decryption keys on servers controlled by the Chinese government went ahead just fine.

Values are useful, but not as useful as an attractive stock-price.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by discordance on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:11PM (#18973672)
Apple is required by law in Japan to make iPhones make a sound when taking a photo, and they complied.

These new voyuer laws in Australia are obviously much more severe, but there is precedent for a company to customise phones by jurisdiction.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by gergles on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:45PM (#18974549)
This isn't a law, it was a voluntary agreement between the carriers to make all phones they (the carriers) sell have a permanent shutter sound. This was done to stop the moral panic due to "upskirting" on subways/etc.

Since Apple sold iPhones only through carriers initially, they complied with this agreement.

A better example of this would be Apple disabling FaceTime on phones sold in the UAE, which is the result of a law, and the feature stays disabled even if the region is changed from/the phone is removed from the UAE.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by et2o on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:02PM (#18974234)
Camera shutter sounds aren’t a moral issue apple has staked a position on.
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by discordance on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @08:54PM (#18974964)
Wouldn't it be nice, as a courtesy from Apple, if your phone emitted a sound everytime the government attempted to access private data off your phone
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by dan-robertson on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:36PM (#18973962)
These things are quite obviously very different and I can’t find a way to read this in good faith (except perhaps from an extreme libertarian point of view), let alone in a good light.

One is a law requiring phones to try to alert people whose privacy is being invaded in some circumstances.

The other is a law requiring phones to invade people’s privacy in some circumstances.

I think it is quite reasonable to follow the former, just as it could be reasonable for laws to require phones to broadcast tsunami warnings or meet various antitrust requirements.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by AnaniasAnanas on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:43PM (#18974544)
> One is a law requiring phones to try to alert people whose privacy is being invaded in some circumstances.

A law that restricts my freedom to customize my device. Plus their privacy was being invaded from the moment that I looked at them, taking a photo would not change anything.

> just as it could be reasonable for laws to require phones to broadcast tsunami warnings

As long as it is configurable, sure.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by cronix on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:32PM (#18973936)
A software tweak is a lot easier to change than hardware accelerated encryption.
Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by IdiocyInAction on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:07PM (#18973626)
The alternative, that may very well come to pass, is that the internet will cluster into different subnetworks for different ideologies. I could very well see that happen with the EU.

The golden times for the internet are over anyway. It went from an optimistic dream of free expression of information to a platform for delivering ads.

Re:Did Australia Poke a Hole in Your Phone’s Security? by hxsvui on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @09:49PM (#18975226)
The Internet was English speaking, western and had a keyboard with the Latin alphabet. These days are over, but it's injust to argue with ideology and a negative tone here.

The Internet serves people all-over the world and must respect local laws, because it serves the local people.

Also, free expression is stronger than ever before. You can now even claim your opinion is a fact.