Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect

Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by tivert on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @11:30AM (#18969458)

> What I don't get is why not just replace the headphone jack with a smaller one? e.g. a 1.5mm one?

Before the iPhone, traditional cell phones already had smaller headphone jacks: a 2.5mm one was pretty standard. One of the innovative things the iPhone did was replace the smaller port with a standard 3.5mm jack, which allowed people to use regular (potentially high-quality) 3.5mm headphones with it, rather than a crappy 2.5mm headset. The decision eliminated pointless proprietary-ness to integrate with a more vibrant ecosystem.

Job's decision on the iMac to embrace USB and drop the Mac's proprietary ports could be seen in a similar light.

I wish those kinds of decisions were the ones present-day Apple decided to cargo-cult.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by da_chicken on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @12:12PM (#18969932)

Yeah, but the EU has been trying to drag the same Apple kicking and screaming into using a common connector for phone chargers since at least 2011. The iPhone XS and XR still use the Lightning connector.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by detaro on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @12:15PM (#18969977)

AFAIK the wording of the EU targets in the end was mostly about the charger, and shipping a USB charger and a USB-to-iDevice cable was tolerated as a solution.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by badwolf on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @03:41PM (#18972228)

With the latest iPad Pro using USB-C (as well as macbooks) makes me think this will be happening soon (fingers crossed)

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by penagwin on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:11PM (#18973117)

I work in phone repair, and I have to say the lightning connector is superior to usb c in durability. 9/10 times a phone comes in "because it's not charging" there's dirt in the port, some tweezers and they're on their way.

Whenever a USB port is involved, it's usually smashed and requires soldering to fix. Given that most modern phones have AMOLED screens, and those cost 200$+ just for our store to buy the part, and that many phones require you to remove the screen to get to the charging port.... Well you see where this is going.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by int_19h on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:29PM (#18974442)

If I remember correctly, USB-C and Lightning have the same guaranteed insertion cycles.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by megy on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:12PM (#18973125)

How quick you forget, there were a lot of people complaining about the iMac dropping ports and using USB. If you want to see what it is look, look around at the people complaining these days about going all in on USB-C.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by npunt on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:49PM (#18974571)

Yep this is exactly the same. People complained about the new lightning connector in 2012 as well. The one difference is USB-C is more complex and some peripheral manufacturers haven't been building stuff to spec.

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Re:Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect by npunt on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:48PM (#18974565)

The original iPhone used the 2.5mm jack and bundled a 2.5->3.5 adapter. The small jack sucked. A year later the iPhone 3G came out with the regular 3.5mm jack.

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