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Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by ASalazarMX on Monday January 21, 2019 @03:35PM (#18963384)
So, fake news will be shared with copy-paste instead of forwarding? This will absolutely deter those rascals who manipulate their platform and multiply user engagement.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by Kadin on Monday January 21, 2019 @05:00PM (#18964011)
It seems like a valid and useful way to slow the rate of propagation of fake news.

Much of the current problem is that fake news spreads faster than moderators can make a decision on it, or journalists can fact-check it. If you can keep it in a "slow burn" phase longer, where it's being forwarded along to a handful of people at a time, it's easier to combat.

Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by mateo1 on Monday January 21, 2019 @06:41PM (#18964706)
It also seems like a valid and useful way to slow the rate of propagation of real news. Real news also spread very fast and faster than moderation.

The point is, this has next to zero selectivity. It just makes the platform hostile to encrypted group messages. My guess would be that (besides PR regarding the Indian stories, which is a social problem, not a technical one) this is about censorship. You can't censor things you can't see. Better stop them from communicating freely.

Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by DoctorPenguin on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @09:23AM (#18968385)
People probably won't understand this but I totally agree with you.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by xpaulbettsx on Monday January 21, 2019 @06:59PM (#18964804)
Facebook has a limited amount of mitigation that they can do because of the nature of WhatsApp. Trying to suppress Fake News is hard when you can't even read the content
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by fipple on Monday January 21, 2019 @07:06PM (#18964833)
You can have a blacklist of message texts that are sent to the apps as hashes
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by Kalium on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @12:01AM (#18966104)
Good idea! That could definitely work.

This seems like it could only be implemented client-side. It also seems like it would require rapid and frequent updates to the ever-growing blacklist. That in turn would require a way to figure out what hashes needed to be blacklisted, which implies either less-than-ideal cryptography practices or the ability to decrypt messages. Neither is desirable for user privacy.

I have a rule I use in computing: whenever you think you want a blacklist, you probably want a whitelist.

Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by fipple on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:03AM (#18967235)
Well these fake viral messages are usually quite temporary so you could expire the cache after some time and if some messages have particularly long “legs” just re-send them to clients after their TTL expires
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by Kalium on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:42AM (#18967581)
Well done! You've elegantly solved the problem of the cache being append-only.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by slig on Monday January 21, 2019 @04:04PM (#18963596)
I'd guess that most people who mass forward fake news don't know how to copy/paste on mobile.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by ljm on Monday January 21, 2019 @05:19PM (#18964161)
It's a lot easier to do when the disinformation is presented in the form of memes, quotes on top of scenic backgrounds, and screenshots of text.

Anecdotally, I was in one group and one person announced that they were leaving, so they spent some time saying goodbye. Almost at the same time, someone else forwarded a meme post along the lines of "Sometimes the best way to let go is to tell them to FUCK OFF!"

Well, that was quite funny at the end of it, but still.

The forwarding is effortless and is essentially broadcasting. You don't see the updated conversation from a forwarding screen, so you can't pause to reflect the same way you would if you were typing away a message and seeing the chat flow by. So these messages propagate mindlessly.

To that extent I don't think fake news/disinformation is the real problem. It's virality.

Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by LaurentS on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @04:58AM (#18967217)
I know someone who looked into the fake propaganda spread around social networks in Myanmar (WhatsApp is essentially not used there, but Facebook and Viber are the big ones). It turned out it was virtually impossible to trace the origin of messages because most people were copy/pasting messages instead of forwarding them. Which makes me wonder how much of an impact is actually expected of this. The cynic in me worries that it may be a way for the platform to wash its hands...
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by gautamdivgi on Monday January 21, 2019 @05:58PM (#18964423)
That’s what I was just about to say. Also, I think the limit of 5 is still too much - probably 2 is better.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by Yuioup on Monday January 21, 2019 @07:05PM (#18964826)
Exactly. 5 degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Re:WhatsApp puts limit on message forwarding to fight fake news by bertil on Monday January 21, 2019 @06:08PM (#18964486)
I know from private conversation that is at least the second if not third version of an effort that was extensively tested. I can only assume that the first attempt(s) proved effective.