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Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by ahmedalsudani on Sunday January 20, 2019 @04:04AM (#18952056)
The customers are paying for the service. They bear the cost.

The idea that ISPs bear the cost of Internet traffic which benefits tech companies is at the centre of their agreement against net neutrality, and it's a fallacious argument.

The ISP is free to decide the price and the quality of the service offered. That's how they recoup their costs, by charging their customers the correct price for the service.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by samsonradu on Sunday January 20, 2019 @07:50AM (#18952805)
Maybe I was not clear enough, I was not defending ISPs. What I meant was that they will bear the extra cost if every subscriber maxes out their bandwidth usage so the cost (and prices therefore) will go up.

What customers pay is an averaged out bandwidth usage from my understanding.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by hnnh44 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:19AM (#18953392)
The customer has already paid for a dedicated bandwidth. If the ISP has used an outdated model that doesn't account for current usage, that's their problem. That's how business risk and models work.

They can, and should, respond by modifying their plans accordingly. Once the consumer's contract is up, renew them with a more modern usage model. Until then, you eat the cost for not doing your only job.

The theory that "we didn't build in a margin of error and therefore someone else is responsible" is dangerous to society.

ISPs SHOULD see losses. Their investors aren't entitled to guaranteed profits.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by ghaff on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:34AM (#18953806)
But if everyone uses their connection in inefficient ways (such as letting their video streaming run for hours unwatched) everyone will simply end up paying more at some point.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jedberg on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:03PM (#18954856)
Only in the United States, because of the lack of ISP competition.

In Europe, as usage goes up, prices stays flat, because ISPs there know that the cost of a marginal bit of data is almost nothing, and they actually have to compete with each other on customer service and price.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by treis on Sunday January 20, 2019 @04:19PM (#18955664)
>know that the cost of a marginal bit of data is almost nothing

Until you get to that last bit that your wires and equipment can handle. Then it costs a bunch of money to upgrade those to handle the extra traffic.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by hnnh44 on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:01PM (#18961649)
The idea that everyone should simply pay the same regardless of use is wrong.

Cell phone plans have data tiers and pay-per-use. There's no reason cable companies can't do this either, except it prevents them from fudging costs.

I probably use as much bandwidth as anybody else, and I'd prefer to be accurately charged for it rather than have my provider pull shady net neutrality things or try to become an ad network or buy a media company to "bundle" their services or sell my data to third parties to juice their income.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by ghaff on Monday January 21, 2019 @01:46PM (#18962475)
I don't necessarily disagree but go back to any of the discussions on here about data caps and read all the screams about stifling innovation, etc., etc.

I see both sides. Honestly, I think there was a better argument for it when the heavy users were a small percentage of users downloading a bunch of "Linux distributions" on bittorrent. Today, it's more likely to be a family that uses Netflix a lot.

Metering would change usage for better or worse and the fact is that a lot of domestic phone plans don't have caps, or at least meaningful ones any longer, although they may throttle data at some point.