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Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by rayiner on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:37AM (#18951537)
So after much griping about the notch, glass back, lack of headphone jack, lack of home button, and lack of Touch ID, the wife and I just bought iPhone XRs. And you know what? They’re great. Air Pods are transformational—you don’t realize how annoying the cords are until they’re gone. And quality and range are phenomenal. It’s a UX win for consumers as well as a revenue win for Apple.

The swipe gestures aren’t discoverable at all. But I noticed my 60-year-old aunt fluently using them, so I think the little tutorial they do in the Apple store when you buy one is effective.

Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by writepub on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:44AM (#18951562)
> so I think the little tutorial they do in the Apple store when you buy one is effective

Steve Jobs said : “Any product that needs a manual to work is broken.” Does a full blown hand-held tutorial form an Apple employee at the store count as a manual?

Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by wyattpeak on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:02AM (#18951596)
While I agree that Apple interfaces have been straying deeply into "undiscoverable" territory of late (the two touch pressures... eugh), Jobs' comment is a quip that even Apple has never lived up to. You simply can't build advanced electronics without explaining to users how they work. Just try sitting somebody who's never used a computer in front of a Mac and see what happens.
Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by tptacek on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:07PM (#18954456)
No, he did not say that. That's an Elon Musk quote.
Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by writepub on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:15PM (#18955325)
I don't think a full blown, hand-holding tutorial at sales outlets was the outcome Steve Jobs was aiming for, when he decided to kill shipping manuals with iDevices.

On the quote, a CNBC article seemed to attribute it to Jobs, but I suppose Musk said it - I stand corrected

Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by Tomte on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:28PM (#18955388)
Physical manuals. All iOS devices come preloaded with a large manual in the Books app.
Re:Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on it... by writepub on Sunday January 20, 2019 @05:00PM (#18955879)
So to access the manual, you need to setup a new phone, without a manual, and somehow glean the location of the manual, without a manual, and finally open the manual.