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Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by perfmode on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:31PM (#18935294)
It's really disappointing to see how much the executive branch is getting away with.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by slg on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:47PM (#18935395)
A surprising amount of the American political system was built around our natural human desire to avoid being shamed. Once you have a political figure who is shameless all the rules chance.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by netsharc on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:34PM (#18936007)
A figure? Seems to me many in Washington were shameless before Trump, when they can lie to people about death panels so they can deny them healthcare, or "we need to tax the rich less!", etc. Or announcing support for a policy and denouncing it after taking lobbyist money...
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by solveit on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:46PM (#18936069)
There's everyday politicking, and then there's Trump.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by golemotron on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:57PM (#18935458)
I'm a centrist but I saw as early as 2015 that shame was being overused. Shamelessness should be an expected escalation.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by rattlesnakedave on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:01PM (#18936145)
Agreed, the fact that they have sprawled out to include all of these unchecked executive agencies with non-essential bureaucrats on payroll deciding the day-to-day of American life without any checks is appalling.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by wwweston on Sunday January 20, 2019 @06:15PM (#18956240)
Without any checks or oversight at all! Shameful!

Well, OK... there's obviously one little check. Like, the staff of these organizations are literally not getting paid right now because of a funding impasse. So, obviously there's some regular oversight about who gets what kind of funding.

And come to think of it, all these organizations and jobs were created by act of congress and/or executive prerogative, with scope prescribed by the relevant orders and law.

But who are congress and the executive accountable to anyway? And who writes these so called "laws"? Who are the laws accountable to?

Wait. They're written by members of congress? And carried out by the executive? Huh. OK, but other than that, totally unchecked! Again, who are "congress" and the so-called "president" accountable to? Who made them "officials"?

Oh, yeah. Voters.

So actually, there isn't any defensible sense in which one can say "unchecked" at all, actually.

Now that we're here, it's almost as if the only way one could use the term "unchecked" is if they're not using language in an attempt to actually describe the world, but out of intent to characterize inaccurately without a supporting argument. Propagandize. Or, I suppose, if one had already had one's mind hijacked by such propaganda.

But who would suspect that someone named "rattlesnakedave" might actually be engaging in that sort of commentary?

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by pathseeker on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:53PM (#18935432)
It's not though. Vetos can easily be overridden by the legislative branch so this is coordination between executive and the Republicans of the legislation.

"Trump is doing this and is unstoppable" is a false narrative and is the reason that "Trump is compromised by Russia" is a senseless explanation.

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Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by Jordrok on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:51PM (#18936890)
> The guardrails Paul Graham put in place are beginning to break as Hacker News ages and the immigrants are able to use the downvote button.

...seriously? Give me a break.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by jquery on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:53AM (#18937307)
A flippant reply instead of engaging my comment. This is exactly the reddit-like behavior Paul Graham was worried about when he added those guardrails. Don't worry, I'll give you a break, along with the other commenters that made Hacker News the shining star it used to be. Hacker News isn't the only tech forum for sober adult discussion.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by fzeroracer on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:10PM (#18936735)
Fearmongering like this does not for a reasonable argument make. Especially when you're invoking language like calling people you don't like 'immigrants'.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by sattoshi on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:34PM (#18936825)
Why do you seem to imply that "immigrants" is derogatory? I'm an immigrant. I'm not proud of being an immigrant but nor am I ashamed of it, it's just a characteristic.

Redditors moving to hackernews can be called immigrants as they behave much in the same way. They have their own culture and background which they bring with them. Of course, they may assimilate but it doesn't seem to be working too good lately.

I personally have wound up on hackernews maybe 5 years ago, but I have definitely seen a decline in discourse over the last three years or so specifically.

I generally don't interact much as I often feel like there are people far more knowledgeable on a particular topic than myself and my comments would be little more than noise. You seem to have taken a similar path with most comments being on political topics, with echoes of champagne socialism.

Fundamentally, I came here for the technology. I understand that discussions of politics are inevitable on this post in particular, yet I dread the day when the comments will be reduced to "orange man bad" as is the case on Reddit.

Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by jquery on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:56AM (#18937322)
> Perhaps, I am just afraid of progress.

No, you're getting older and more mature even as the HN audience becomes younger and less so. It reminds me of the original "rage comic" subreddit which was devilishly clever until it became popular, and you could see in real time as people started talking about issues that affect younger and younger cohorts, until I finally saw boring middle-school drama in the subreddit (long after I left).

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Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by pathseeker on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:55PM (#18935443)
> spouts the exact same half dozen talking points while actual policy positions are deliberately obfuscated.

This is exactly what happens with both parties. It's a byproduct of the party system.

Republicans: small government, better business environment, etc

Democrats: strong social safety net, everyone pays their fair share, etc

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by thaumasiotes on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:08PM (#18935532)
I think it's interesting to think about this in the context of term limits.

Athenian offices were strictly term-limited, except for the position of general. People apparently felt that having military experience in that role was more valuable than the benefit of term limits would make up for, and it's hard to blame them for that.

But the general, able to serve for life, the only island of stability in the government, accumulated all the political power. This mostly defeated the purpose of having term limits on any office.

American presidents are term-limited, but American political parties aren't, and policy -- in terms of the solutions, but also in terms of the questions that get asked -- is set by the parties. I think this is more than just a coincidence.

On the other hand, Senators and Congressmen are not term-limited, but they don't seem to accumulate much in the way of political power.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by Armisael16 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:50PM (#18935800)
A big part of the problem is that congresspeople can’t hire and retain good staffers long-term - the pay isn’t good enough and cost of living in DC has gone up drastically. This hamstrings Congress - they can’t really develop their own solutions and are forces to rely on outside sources for legislation. On a related note, did you know that more money is spent by businesses on lobbying than the federal government spends on all of Congress?

(Also, senators are congresspeople.)

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by thaumasiotes on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:21PM (#18936254)
> (Also, senators are congresspeople.)

Maybe so, but "Congressman" is the title for someone who sits in the House of Representatives, while someone who sits in the Senate is a "Senator".

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by WorldMaker on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:32PM (#18936310)
At least a few of our Senators think they have all the power. Senator McConnell, for one immediate and obvious example.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by aplusbi on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:10PM (#18935550)
I would say this is very much NOT the case for the Democrats. The Democrats have at least two factions (Bernie/AOC/etc vs. the established Democrats) that really don't agree with each other on a number of issues.

The Republicans are far more unified. It is both their strength and their weakness.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by ameister14 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:49PM (#18935787)
That really hasn't been the case for a while - Boehner couldn't get his party to come together for anything
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by zozbot123 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:16PM (#18935582)
>The Republicans are far more unified

Or not. What about the Trump faction vs. the RINO's.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by aplusbi on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:33PM (#18935693)
I don't know of any RINOs in Congress. Locally the story might be different, but even so I stand by my assertion that Republicans are far more unified than the Democrats (as the Democrats are split federally as well as locally).
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by tropo on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:57PM (#18936123)
Romney, Collins, and Murkowski are RINOs. Previously, McCain and Flake were.

Republicans are split: libertarian, nationalist, religious

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by dragonwriter on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:46PM (#18935773)
> What about the Trump faction vs. the RINO's.

There are factions in the Republican Party, but for various reasons they are much more prone to have the non-dominant faction submit meekly to the dominant faction in terms of most actions in government, and even most public statements outside of contested primary campaigns. And even there the actual policy disputes are often not front and center.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by bdamm on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:03PM (#18935499)
It's mostly true but there are definitely counterpoints. The late Senator John McCain is an example. He was the only reason the Affordable Care Act still stands, since it was his vote and his vote alone that rejected the attempt to wipe it out last year or the year before.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by ergothus on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:08PM (#18935887)
Well, he and the other two Republicans that voted against it. He got all the press as the deciding vote, but it required all 3.
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Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by pathseeker on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:57PM (#18935456)
What are you talking about? These people are still in office by election. The Republicans gained seats in the Senate. There is a large portion of the country that thinks the Republicans are fine and that Democrats are the problem.
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by komali2 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:04PM (#18935508)
Last check, 56% blame Trump, 36% blame Democrats. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-14/trump-too...
Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by notafish on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:20PM (#18936245)
Given the midterm senate votes (59.3% D, 39.1% R), that can be easily squares with most Democrats blame Trump and most Republicans blame Democrats.

Which brings things back to the substantial advantage that the more rural states give the Republicans in the senate, which would have a good shot and ending the shutdown if they wanted to.

Re:Federal HTTPS domains that'll expire soon because of US g... by benatkin on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:04PM (#18935507)
I'm also disappointed by progressives who don't acknowledge the role of the legislative branch in all of this, starting with Paul Ryan endorsing Trump back in June 2016.