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Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by jcranmer on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:06AM (#18928525)
I'm assuming you're talking about the kind of trains pulling 1,000 mile runs as opposed to metro trains.

Train drivers do more than just drive a train. They also have to deal with dropping off and picking up cars from the consist. They also need to monitor track conditions that aren't necessarily easy to pick up from track circuits, such as deep snow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yja2VmZOfdA shows you how some trains deal with snow).

In general, the costs of upgrading track to be able to support autonomous driving aren't worth the savings you get from eliminating driver. The main counterexception to this is Western Australia, where everything of value is 1,000 miles away from where anybody lives (and is transported by trains to the coasts for export), and so railroads face tremendous costs actually getting their drivers to their trains. Unsurprisingly, the mining companies in Australia who own/run their own railroads have invested heavily in autonomous trains.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by samplatt on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:06AM (#18928742)
The mining operations in Western Australia have also invested heavily in autonomous EVERYTHING.

The massive dump-trucks and drill rigs are going autonomous, with anywhere between 10% and 100% (depending on the site) of the heavy vehicles are now driverless.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by dogma1138 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:22AM (#18929456)
Closed environments like mining sites or airports are much more easy to automate.

The routes can be easily predefined, they are relatively short and you can add additional beacons / markers that make things much easiser.

I think the problem with trains outside of say closed loop underground trains that you have a lot of tracks in varying conditions, you can have track abstractions you have a multi agent environment with crossing and that at least as far as cargo trains go the engineer does more than just drive the train they handle many more operations.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by yukonbound on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:26AM (#18929703)
The financial incentive for these mining companies are huge though, as a driver can earn A$120k before even considering the total cost of employment for a remote FIFO site.

Mine site are open cast, mine large tonnage and have long mine lives justifying the large initial investment.

Australian mining operations are also very dry, which helps a lot. Rain introduces a lot of variables.

Large scale automation is particular to the Australian mining industry at this point.

South African deep level gold mines have been working on this for many years with little success, and I think they have mostly given up.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by samplatt on Monday January 21, 2019 @09:43PM (#18965593)
The dry conditions help the automated vehicles, but there's special challenges when it DOES actually rain.... everything tends to be underwater, by a lot :-)
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by senectus1 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @02:06AM (#18928944)
not a lot of autonomous trains though... interestingly.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by cm2187 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:37AM (#18929515)
Amusingly, in your video, the view from the driver is completely obstructed by the snow.