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Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by tialaramex on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:26PM (#18928095)
The human can look out of the front window and notice that e.g. the cliff above has fallen onto the track, or cows have broken through a fence and are now standing on the track.

Something like the DLR normally operates autonomously, there's a member of staff trained to drive it on every train but it's actually slower and more dangerous if they have to. But that's a completely grade separated system, cows on the DLR is about as likely as cows up the Empire State. And still the first train every morning is manual because maintenance teams are forgetful and a passenger sat at the front doesn't want a metal pry bar in the face when some idiot left it on the track despite checking it off as recovered.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by isostatic on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @11:57PM (#18928492)
At high speeds a driver can’t do anything if they see an obstruction. Breaking distances on trains tend to be measured in miles, not metres.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by stubish on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:36AM (#18929510)
Australia uses what are called road trains, which essentially is 3 full sized semi-trailer loads pulled by a massive single cab travelling 90km/h. A good place to find them are the highways between Adelaide and Perth or Adelaide and Darwin. At night, their stopping distance is greater than their headlights can reach; if they see something, it is too late to stop and the choice is swerving and likely tipping or plowing on through. This is why they have bull bars on the front (you might know them as cow catchers), so when there is a herd of cows on the road staring you down the cab can plow straight through without slowing.

(or maybe tech has caught up in the last few decades and they detect obstructions from further away, but that would spoil the story)

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by Piskvorrr on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:03AM (#18929614)
Tech would have needed to see through terrain (road is not always flat - even though sometimes the crests and dips are so rare there's a warning sign ahead: https://media.gettyimages.com/videos/outback-road-sign-of-cr... )...and be retrofitted into the existing cabs. So, no: the tool of choice is still brute force, literally.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by stubish on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:31PM (#18937052)
Sensors would work. If the cab isn't already tall enough (they are big!), you could mount the sensors on a pole. The road isn't always flat, but flat enough; I doubt a road train can deal with much of a gradient.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by mcbits on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:49AM (#18930057)
They could carry a set of battery packs on the roof and a pair of drones acting as scouts, one flying ahead with cameras and lidar for 10 minutes while the other one returns to swap out its battery.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by Piskvorrr on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:42PM (#18934429)
Cool...but you need three to have backup, and a battery swap mechanism, and a charging system, and this contraption happens to be more complex than the rest of the car combined. I mean, it could work...but it feels very Inspector Gadget-ish.
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by isostatic on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:24AM (#18930564)
What happens if there's a broken car/truck blocking the road?
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by stubish on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:41PM (#18937090)
The same thing that happens when any road vehicle meets a break down they didn't see in time, except the massive truck is more likely to win.

http://divine.vic.gov.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/road... has an account of a collision with a road train:

"The road train driver had slowed down to make a left-hand turn at a crossroads and Scotty had slammed into him at over 100 kilometres an hour. According to the autopsy, Scotty was over the legal alcohol limit. The driver of the road train kept going once he had completed the corner. I was later told he thought he felt a shift in the load as he slowed the vehicle to negotiate the corner."

Anyone wanting to make autonomous trucks perfect should remember the bar is actually pretty low...

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by Piskvorrr on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:33AM (#18929498)
Braking to a stop is the best option (which is not always available, yes). Emergency braking to half the speed is the difference between "8 fatalities" and "hundreds of fatalities"; Ek=mv^2 - note that velocity squared*.

Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Stud%C3%A9nka_train_wreck - train hits bridge at 90 kph instead of 135 kph; a 2/3 speed, but less than 1/2 the kinetic energy.

Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by jboles on Friday January 18, 2019 @06:54PM (#18944259)
They can, however, hit the brakes as best they can (kinetic energy is proportional to the square of velocity, so this helps a lot), and warn passengers to brace for impact (example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenbrook_rail_accident#Effe...)
Re:AI Is About To Take The Ship's Helm Away From Humans by TaylorAlexander on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:11AM (#18928548)
I agree drivers have other benefits. I will say, you made me realize that an electric sled with 3D LIDAR could check our track hundreds or thousands of meters in front of the train and confirm the track was still safe.