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Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by azhenley on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:57PM (#18926386)
I hadn't heard of that book but I've now added it to my list.

Can you summarize the biggest thing you learned from it?

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by lukewrites on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:05PM (#18926459)
Hold a two- (or three-) fund portfolio of low cost index funds; invest in it regularly and stay the course. It's OK to invest in individual stocks, but do it for fun, not as (or with) your retirement savings.

I like Bogle's "Little Book of Common Sense Investing"[0] a little more than the Bogleheads Guide, but they're both good :)

[0] https://www.powells.com/book/-9781119404507

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by cjcenizal on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:28PM (#18926665)
^ This! Also, the most valuable part of investing is asset allocation, i.e. how you split your money up between stocks and bonds (and optionally real estate). Take your age, and put that percentage of your money into bonds (if you're 30, put 30% of your money in bonds). Bonds are safer and you want to conserve your money as you age. Make sure the bond maturity dates aren't later than you're going to need them. Reallocate your assets every 18 months so that your diversification continues to match your age. Read fund prospectuses to learn about the fees and expenses they incur -- this is boring, but the lower the fees and expenses the better your portfolio will perform.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by peferron on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:22PM (#18927133)
Regarding "your age in bonds", it's worth noting that Vanguard's all-in-one retirement funds don't follow this advice at all. For example, the Target Retirement 2050 fund has 10% bonds [1], while I would expect most people buying this fund to be 30+.

[1] https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/profile/VFIFX

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by loeg on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @08:23PM (#18927475)
I'd suggest ramping up bonds shortly before retirement (and then ramping them back down again afterwards, which the vanguard funds do not do -- mostly because they cannot tell if you have actually retired on your target date).[1]

[1]: https://earlyretirementnow.com/2017/09/13/the-ultimate-guide...

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by JKCalhoun on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:37AM (#18928845)
There's the "100 minus your age rule", the "110 minus your age" rule... Linear, simple, all easy to remember — not necessarily "tuned".
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by mruts on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:31PM (#18927786)
Unless you are borrowing at the risk free rate (levering your bonds), I don’t think this is the best advice, unless you are open to holding junk bonds. Your Sharpe ratio is largely irrelevant [(returns - risk free rate) / std dev]. What you want is to optimize your Sortino ratio [loss / std dev]. Or, put another way, it’s more preferable that you make 100% returns one year, and lose 25% the next than to make 25% each year.

The bonds are going to really drag on your returns and since bonds don’t seem correlated with equities anymore, they might not even be an equity hedge. Risk parity portfolios are designed to solve this problem through leverage.

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by jedberg on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:42PM (#18926776)
I just back tested this to 2012. If you put $10,000 in in 2012, and just invested in the S&P500, you'd have $23,046. If you just did VTI (Vanguard Total Stock Market), you'd have $22,754. If you do 60% domestic and 40% international (VTI and VXUS) you'd have $19,325. If you did the recommended 3 stock portfolio (VTI 42%, VXUS 18%, and BND 40%) you'd have $16,668.

So while they all made money, the three portfolio made the least money. Unfortunately the Vanguard ETFs don't go back before the last recession, otherwise it would be interesting to see how the numbers invert.

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by teej on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:54PM (#18926887)
Saying a portfolio allocation of 100% stocks 0% bonds outperformed 60/40 during the longest bull run in history is shortsighted. Here's a more thorough analysis - https://finpage.blog/2017/01/04/three-fund-portfolio-2016-up...
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by robnagler on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:10PM (#18928000)
It's interesting that the 20y compound return are pretty close. I don't understand the STDev value in the tables, and it is not explained. Is that the the standard deviation of the annual returns?
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by ng12 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:45PM (#18926802)
The last few years are an outlier -- the US had a historic bull run and international stocks underperformed significantly. The point of the 3-fund is that it's a solid strategy no matter what the market looks like.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by jedberg on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:46PM (#18926820)
Yeah if I can find the data I'd back test further, but I suspect you'd be right.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by tonfa on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:56PM (#18926901)
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-asset-class-all...

You can backtest it there. BTW 100% stock will likely beat the stock+fund, but at the cost of higher volatility (which can be an issue if you need the money eg during retirement)

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by ericd on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:11AM (#18928547)
I really like this site for backtesting different mixes: https://portfoliocharts.com/portfolios/
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by Spooky23 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:51PM (#18926860)
A big part of that is that the average punter knows nothing, and that approach is likely to avoid losses.

When people go all VTI, they tend to freak out when the market goes down, sell near the bottom and forget about it, only to buy it again after the value goes up.

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by eru on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:12AM (#18929648)
You are giving the average punter too much credit. If they could time the bottom like that, you could harness them to beat the markets.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by farnsworth on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:54PM (#18926886)
It's easy to pick in retrospect but the 3 fund portfolio also carried less risk and will probably win in the longer term. Which one wins over the past 3 months? :)
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by loeg on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:54PM (#18926891)
Seven years is a short window in the span of a lifetime.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by MarlonPro on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:17PM (#18926560)
Google "VTSAX". I originally had 3 funds but now holding just one - VTSAX. But of course, that will change as I get closer to retirement (still far :-))
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by perryh2 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:24PM (#18926625)
The 3 fund portfolio is better, which also includes international stocks and bonds. https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio#Vanguar...
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by sokoloff on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:30PM (#18926683)
Maybe, depending on the definition of better. The single VTSAX fund has substantially outperformed the three-fund mix.

In my case, I believe we're in a rising rate environment, therefore I'd rather not hold bonds; I'm realistically investing for my kids' consumption rather than our own (we have the basics well-covered already); VTSAX holds companies that have substantial outside the US exposure and most of my future expenses are tightly tied to the fortunes of the US economy.

If your timeline is > 35 years, you're in the US, and intending to stay in the US, I could argue that pure VTSAX is better. Any of them are better than a "professional" financial advisor, IMO.

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by jedberg on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:45PM (#18926807)
Not so far. VTSAX and VTI are basically the same thing.

If you put $10,000 in in 2012, and just invested in the S&P500, you'd have $23,046. If you just did VTI (Vanguard Total Stock Market), you'd have $22,754 (and VTSAX would be $22,731). If you did the recommended 3 stock portfolio (VTI 42%, VXUS 18%, and BND 40%) you'd have $16,668.

So while they all made money, the three stock portfolio made the least money. Unfortunately the Vanguard ETFs don't go back before the last recession, otherwise it would be interesting to see how the numbers invert, or if they do.

Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by woodlumhoodlum on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:53PM (#18927920)
It has one of the LOWEST fees and has great returns I put my full 401k into VTSAX, as I have other diversified savings elsewhere.
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by MarlonPro on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:33PM (#18933210)
My 401K is on a different fund only because VTSAX is not one of the options (but it's on an index fund tracking S&P 500). My IRA is fully on VTSAX. If I have an option, I'll put all my investments on VTSAX - I'm rooting for the US economy!
Re:John C. Bogle Has Died by JKCalhoun on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:34AM (#18928827)
Paying someone (a fund manager) a percentage of your investment every year to "pick the winning stocks" with your money is more often than not a money-loser.

Looking at mutual funds over a period of years showed that very few of them even out-performed the market.

Almost all of those that did out-perform the market actually still lost out when the fund manager's percentage was figured in.

Fidelity Magellan Fund managed by Peter Lynch is one of the few exceptions where the fund not only outperformed the market but still did so after the fees.

(But then that is why you have heard of Fidelity Magellan Fund and Peter Lynch.)

Furthermore, as everyone jumped on Fidelity Magellan Fund it became too big and moved the market when it moved — and not in a beneficial way for the fund investors.

tl;dr: a monkey throwing a dart (assuming he charges a fee below 1%) will outperform most of the Wallstreet fund managers. Put your money in an index fund, let the algorithm spread your money/risk out and wait a few decades.