Yuri was a real KGB defector, and the interview is from 1984 which is way before the effects we see today. Watch the whole thing here [1], and read the sometimes a bit offensive book on it by a CIA case officer [2].

Then take both with a bit of a grain of salt, but think what it would mean if both that seem to support each other’s assertion just told partially the truth.

[1] https://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Willing-Accomplices-Influence-Politic...