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Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by Aeolun on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:49PM (#18918298)
What did you expect them to do? The UK wants to leave, so lets give them some concessions to soften their stupidity?

From the start the only one with any kind of power in the negotiations was the EU.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:23AM (#18918453)
More a case of UK politicians not doing their job.

What do I expect them to do? Act solely in the interests of their pay packet and party. What should they do? Act in the interests of the nation. That was once supposed to be the point.

They could have sought concessions or adjustments from the EU as precursor to a second referendum. The few times another EU nation has rejected a treaty or some aspect of the Union there's been something of a renegotiation and a second referendum.

Since the ridiculous Fixed Parliaments Act there needs to be a super-majority to call a UK election early. Why not with a referendum for a change of such consequence?

Were the EU not such a divisive issue, for the whole 40 years of our EU membership, within the Tory party, they might have approached the issue with a little more honesty. It could all have SO easily been avoided.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by jcranmer on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:27AM (#18918470)
> They could have sought concessions or adjustments from the EU as precursor to a second referendum.

Do people really forget David Cameron's renegotiation prior to the referendum that quickly?

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:34AM (#18918492)
Not forget, more deem not worth mentioning. Promise the earth and moon, deliver nothing of note.

He came out of that looking the fool and if anything actually helped the leave campaign.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by jcranmer on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:42AM (#18918523)
And what makes you think anyone else would do better? I mean, Cameron isn't exactly at Trump-level of negotiation.
Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by yardstick on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:06AM (#18918852)
Look at how quickly Cameron resigned after the vote. He wasn’t truly interested in finding a good deal, he was relying on the fact that people would vote remain regardless. I’m guessing due to the remain result in the Scottish independence referendum not long before.
Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by pjc50 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:07AM (#18920117)
Indeed - and in my opinion he'd completely misinterpreted that as a great success rather than what it was, a very narrow victory that burned a lot of political capital.
Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by michaelt on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:13AM (#18919863)
Or he resigned because he believed the leave decision could better be implemented by a leave campaigner, who would approach the matter more earnestly and enthusiastically.
Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by AstralStorm on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:43AM (#18919988)
Or more specifically, leave EU is a political and economic disaster and mess he wanted to not take part in. Even if you succeed you will be covered in dirt.

Just look at May now and imagine Cameron in her shoes. No politician wants this.

Allowing the referendum was an interesting but silly motion already, a gross miscalculation.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by burfog on Monday January 21, 2019 @03:31AM (#18958727)
The UK has lots of power if they don't desperately beg.

They should expect a plain exit. With that done, a good deal with the USA is possible. The threat of that could instead get them a great deal with the EU, and they may even do well with both.

Desperate begging is the current plan though... that won't end well.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by desertedisland on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:52AM (#18919501)
Hey man no problem, we'll just take the £30 billion divorce payment to help us with our stupidity.