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Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by sparkie on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:04PM (#18915920)
> Brexit is history in the making. The EU is a phenomenally novel way of integrating sovereign nation-states into a singular political entity, that happened without war. It's aim is to make something as singularly powerful as the United States, without force.

The thing is, the people of the UK don't want to be part of that "United States of Europe". It is being forced upon them. The failure of pro-EU people to recognize that they are breeding unrest will lead to civil war, unless they allow the Brits to exit as they've voted to do.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by n4r9 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:07PM (#18915966)
I think that's a sweeping generalisation. I suspect, admittedly without numbers to back it up, that a significant minority of people in the UK - myself included - are happy to be part of a greater European state. I also suspect that there is a generational factor, and that this significant minority will grow over time to become a majority.
Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by sparkie on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:17PM (#18916058)
The problem with you rejecting my claim as a "sweeping generalization" is that you've done exactly the same in your counter argument.

Polls are not reliable (they didn't predict the vote, after all). The vote is the most reliable data we have on the positions of the people of the UK. It is the biggest sample set of any measurement performed, and 1.3M more people turned out to vote leave than to remain.

My assessment of today's youth is that they're rebellious, like any generation of youth. What they're rebelling against is pro-EU, pro-socialism that has been fed to them throughout their childhood. Conservatism is on the rise among the young.

Re:Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament by n4r9 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:45PM (#18916359)
Your claim that the vote is the most reliable data we have flatly contradicts your last paragraph: 61% of men and 80% of women aged 18-24 voted Remain. The Leave vote was very much carried through by the older generation. The polarity is such that if you assume the same proportion of remain voters for those below 18 (and I don't see why not) then the tables turned last November.