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Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by LeonM on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @10:37AM (#18911866)
There is a big difference between Chrystler (or any other car manufacturer) and Tesla in terms if impact.

Tesla's are designed to receive software updates on a regular basis using a cellular connection, whereas with every other car brand you'll need to bring the car to a certified dealership to have a mechanic (!= computer engineer) install the new firmware.

So: a nasty bug in a 'regular' car means the manufacturer must consider a recall of all affected cars, where Tesla will simply push an update to all cars in the field. This also means that Tesla can run the update before the vuln is disclosed.

Musk said he regards Tesla as a software company, their software just so happens to have a car attached to it. I highly doubt other car manufacturers see it that way, they probably see the software development as an expense.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by jlarocco on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @10:57AM (#18912044)
> So: a nasty bug in a 'regular' car means the manufacturer must consider a recall of all affected cars, where Tesla will simply push an update to all cars in the field. This also means that Tesla can run the update before the vuln is disclosed.

Maybe, but that sounds optimistic. What if the hack turns that off? What if the hack bricks a piece of hardware? Should remote updates be trusted if the car's been infected with malware?

> Musk said he regards Tesla as a software company, their software just so happens to have a car attached to it. I highly doubt other car manufacturers see it that way, they probably see the software development as an expense.

Software companies write most of the software bugs, so that doesn't make me feel any better...

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by wil421 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:10AM (#18912161)
I have a Grand Cherokee that receives OTA updates and has an LTE connection as do the new Wranglers. I can even use it for a hotspot. My parents Lexus can also receive OTA updates.

Your statement is untrue about OTA updates. Tesla might have been the first to do it in 2012 but most companies are doing it already or plan to.

GM and Ford plan it for 2020 and Mercedes and BMW have announced it in the past year. The Japanese makers are usually more reluctant to adopt new tech.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by SEJeff on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:59AM (#18912614)
The software updates in Tesla generally only happen over Wifi, not cellular. I had to lay conduit from my home to my garage, drill through the masonry, run some more conduit inside the garage, pull CAT6 through from my basement through the conduit to my garage... Then fish the cable through the ceiling and mount a Unifi AC Pro access point in my garage because I wanted the latest autopilot update. Yeah...
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by fastball on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:09PM (#18912721)
You definitely didn't need to do that.

There are much cheaper APs than a Unifi AC Pro.

Which tells me you probably could've saved money in some other ways as well.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by tk75x on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:51PM (#18913179)
He should have parked within range of his house wifi and updated while sipping a beverage.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by SEJeff on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:22PM (#18913484)
I had the AC Pro in my home, and had just bought an AC HD to upgrade it. So I had a "spare" AC Pro just laying around, as you do when you computer for a living.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by goobynight on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:09PM (#18913363)
"had to"
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by justin66 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:20PM (#18912829)
Interesting that a range extender wasn't sufficient.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by reaperducer on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:30PM (#18912954)
with every other car brand you'll need to bring the car to a certified dealership to have a mechanic (!= computer engineer) install the new firmware.

This is not true. Some FiatChrysler vehicles have OTA updates. And if FCA is doing it, others are, too.