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Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by prewett on Monday January 14, 2019 @04:40PM (#18906796)
I am living in California (but also consider myself non-Californian) near one of the areas that burned, and regardless of PG&E's incompetence, empirically the area was a tinderbox. The Carr fire was caused by a spark from a flat tire of an RV which caused the rim to create sparks against the road. Despite the forest service actively burning underbrush regularly, the fire was the largest in California history until the Mendocino fire unseated it a few weeks later. If sparks from a wheel rim can touch off a blaze, there isn't much margin for error.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by j-c-hewitt on Monday January 14, 2019 @05:36PM (#18907203)
In situations like this I think we would have to ask that considering that CA in general has high fire risk compared to other regions of the country, are the right people and entities bearing the risk and shouldering the costs of development there appropriately? I should think a lot of people have a vested interest in blaming PG&E, but if a completely ordinary event like a spark from a flat tire can cause a massive fire in the area that impacts a lot of human settlement directly, then someone is not assessing the risk of building and living there appropriately.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by pixl97 on Monday January 14, 2019 @06:07PM (#18907433)
>then someone is not assessing the risk of building and living there appropriately.

This is the answer no one wants to hear.

For example almost 10 years ago Paradise almost burned. There was a grand jury review afterwards(that you can find online if you're willing to search some) that pointed out that the place was a tinderbox deathtrap and major changes needed to be implemented for safety.

The problem is populations in these places, along with most humans in general, like trees and shade and the idyllic beauty of nature. People would rather have a pine tree and bushes around their house, rather than a 100 foot cleared defensive parameter.

Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by jonnycoder on Monday January 14, 2019 @08:51PM (#18908261)
You are also leaving out environmentalists who fight against thinning and cutting down trees — source, the Angora fire in South Lake Tahoe, Canyon Creek complex in eastern Oregon, and many others. Playing politics and not acknowledging environmental lobby will not do anyone any good. If you know any actual foresters in the USFS, they will tell you as well because they are suid by environmentalists for stuff as simple as salvage logging.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by floatingatoll on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @07:29AM (#18910678)
California has indeed failed to update building codes to take into account fire danger, and would be unlikely either to enforce updated codes upon existing dwellings or to offer funding for people unable to afford safety improvements.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by ip26 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:40PM (#18913638)
On the bright side, at the rate everything is catching on fire, bringing old flammable dwellings up to code won't be a problem for long.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by stevietopsiders on Monday January 14, 2019 @07:47PM (#18907993)
Either NYT or WSJ (I forget) had some analysis for this after some of the fires. One of the cited reasons was that municipalities are fine building into sensitive areas, because it increases their tax base while the state shoulders the cost of fire prevention/fighting/etc.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by ip26 on Monday January 14, 2019 @06:27PM (#18907553)
That's a great example. 8 people died in the Carr fire. A tragedy. But is the driver of the RV with the flat tire guilty of 8 counts of manslaughter, to be locked away for the rest of their natural life? You might be inclined to say that is ridiculous! But just the other day, there were people calling for PG&E to stand trial for 86 counts of manslaughter.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by Cerium on Monday January 14, 2019 @06:48PM (#18907687)
It would not be so ridiculous if the driver had stopped somewhere and been warned that the conditions were dangerous and that the flat tire could start a fire then the driver decided to continue operation.
Re:PG&E Sparked at Least 1,500 California Fires, Now Faces C... by mruts on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:52AM (#18909976)
I dunno, that still sounds pretty ridiculous.

If you were that driver and charged with manslaughter I’m sure you would feel pretty upset at the injustice.