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Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by jstanley on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:14PM (#18899345)
This doesn't matter.

If you use your residential internet connection you're definitely not anonymous.

If you use Tor you're maybe not anonymous. That's still better.

Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by seibelj on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:17PM (#18899358)
Tor has convinced the average user that it is a black box that protects them and this is gravely untrue. It may be safer than your residential ISP but the level of security it claims to provide is simply false.

Like I said, I would appreciate someone explaining why I’m wrong but I’ve been closely following Tor for years and I haven’t seen anything to refute my opinion.

Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by kodablah on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:29PM (#18900415)
> Like I said, I would appreciate someone explaining why I’m wrong but I’ve been closely following Tor for years and I haven’t seen anything to refute my opinion.

That's gonna be tough, as the network would be broken if we could show you're wrong. Anonymity means you don't know. I've also been closely following for years and haven't seen anything to support your opinion. I believe most Tor nodes are run by aliens and haven't seen anything to refute it. Not saying you shouldn't be cautious about anonymity, aliens, or whatever, but to tell everyone it's non-anonymous, intergalactic, etc and wait to be convinced by your own standards you're wrong doesn't help the practical user.

Curious though, if a popular non-nefarious app that used Tor were to emerge and communicated only on onion services (i.e. no exit nodes) and most users (i.e. non-mobile) were also relays, do you think that would help reduce the percentage of surveillance relays enough to feel comfortable? Or are there any ways that you could feel comfortable in a popular, anonymous, distributed network environment that most participants weren't surveillers?

Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by gye on Sunday January 13, 2019 @07:18PM (#18899617)
Where does Tor claim to do more than it can? Can you point at any specific statement?

Compared to anything else in that space, I always liked how Tor does not promise magic, but is actually pretty open about its weaknesses. Most of what comes up as "new discovery of a weakness" is actually already covered in the original design paper and FAQ.

Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by jstanley on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:19PM (#18899370)
Sure, maybe you're right. Maybe Tor is compromised. I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't know.

But what are you going to do? Not use Tor? That's surely worse.

Re:Strength in Numbers: An Entire Ecosystem Relies on Tor by artursapek on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:28PM (#18899411)
His point is that Tor is a honey pot because people will use it for stuff that they wouldn't even do on their residential internet. It's not an argument of better or worse.