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Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by hliyan on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:14AM (#18896946)
Found this article to be a little more substantial: https://www.seti.org/new-fast-radio-burster-why-excitement

This bit is particularly interesting:

But you can safely bet that aliens are not the cause of FRBs. Why? The bursters are seen all over the sky, that’s why. The same sort of signal is coming from galaxies that are generally separated by billions of light-years. So how could aliens organize so much of the universe to engage in broadcasting the same sort of signal?

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by Lucent on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:43AM (#18897064)
I've long held an unsupported belief that life anywhere in any form would "converge" upon only a few interesting things left to do after having mastered rearranging atoms and forces in any configuration they desire.

Not only is there likely an ideal, optimized way of sending information long distances, I suspect there also a very limited number of things a matrioshka brain would care to broadcast or receive, like the values of some fundamental constant.

Saying "hi" for fun to other civilizations isn't even something we do on our own planet with our own people. We only talk to people for specific reasons, even if we're unaware of those reasons. We'll go out of our way to avoid a homeless person's greeting rather than risk learning something about/from him.

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by syedkarim on Sunday January 13, 2019 @08:58PM (#18900045)
>>Saying "hi" for fun to other civilizations isn't even something we do on our own planet with our own people.

Actually, ham radio operators do exactly this. They literally send out messages out into the ether with the hopes of someone replying.

QSL: https://rsgb.org/main/get-started-in-amateur-radio/operating...

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by fernandopj on Sunday January 13, 2019 @09:15PM (#18900112)
>Saying "hi" for fun to other civilizations isn't even something we do on our own planet with our own people.

We do that all the time, in as many ways as we can think of. From the top of my head:

- amateur radio

- sending lasers signals to the moon and waiting for it to get back

- chatting with random strangers on internet

- the Arecibo message on space

- SETI is basically trying to catch an alien "hello"

- sending "messages on bottles"

Really, sending "hi" in imaginative ways for no reason is a very human thing to do

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by ianai on Monday January 14, 2019 @12:42AM (#18900941)
Who hasn’t shouted “hello” somewhere likely to have a good echo?
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by matt4077 on Sunday January 13, 2019 @01:29PM (#18897939)
People do have a tendency to wave at strangers, when either one is in a non-car vehicle. I. e. a boat, Train, balloon, etc.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by macintux on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:47PM (#18899482)
Plus Jeeps and motorcycles. “I recognize that you too are pursuing this weird combination of pleasure and misery.”
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by King-Aaron on Sunday January 13, 2019 @07:39PM (#18899702)
> Driving a miata in a torrential downpour
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by brox on Sunday January 13, 2019 @11:01AM (#18897149)
Perhaps the life forms with long-term success have learned that it is not prudent to broadcast your location; the smaller the chance of other civilisations knowing about your existence the better.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by sgt101 on Sunday January 13, 2019 @02:00PM (#18898082)
Greg Bear wrote an excellent pair of books based on this premise :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forge_of_God

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anvil_of_Stars

Anvil of Stars is often said to be the weaker of the pair, but it haunted me for several reasons, not least the extremely spooky ending!

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by mattkevan on Sunday January 13, 2019 @04:25PM (#18898795)
Cixin Liu’s Three Body Problem stories have exactly that premise.

In the books game theory means that the most prudent way to deal with a competitor species is to obliterate it immediately on discovery. The answer to Fermi’s Paradox is that everyone is keeping their heads down and and hoping no one notices them.

Humans, on the other hand, are merrily broadcasting away without a care in the universe...

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Sunday January 13, 2019 @06:45PM (#18899473)
Yeah, because living your entire existence in hiding, and instantly annihilating anyone else you come across just in case, is totally a worthwhile way to exist. Do you win if your civ makes it as far as the iron star era?
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by PinkMilkshake on Sunday January 13, 2019 @07:42PM (#18899715)
What do you mean by 'worthwhile'? And what would worthwhile be to an alien?

For all we know, the universe is jam packed full of Predator-like aliens who are the dominant species on their planet specifically because their society is built around dominating everything they can.

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday January 14, 2019 @12:42AM (#18900938)
Well that is a fair point, we only have one example of a species capable of building civilizations to work from. It seems unlikely, however, that we are going to end up being particularly unique in that class.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by b_tterc_p on Sunday January 13, 2019 @07:00PM (#18899528)
I mean, if living before meeting aliens is worthwhile, then living with discovered and destroyed aliens should be fine, no?

Your point doesn’t really hold up if the effort to destroy a civ is basically zero, while the cost to defend is approximately unachievable.

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Sunday January 13, 2019 @07:41PM (#18899709)
Do you really even want to live in a universe like that? And if not, why contribute to creating it? Ultimately no one survives. There's no winning, you don't get a trophy for watching the last proton decay, so it is silly to survive for surviving's sake.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by dr_dshiv on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:24PM (#18900397)
Plus, wouldn't it also attract the attention of the nice guy alien civs? They've been keeping their head down, just developing tech for more thousands of millenia - they probably care about civilizational diversity. The destruction oriented would surely be on the nice guy hit list for destroying all these nice diverse civilizations. So then it's just a question of whether a nice guy attitude would enable better wartech than a destruction oriented attitude.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by b_tterc_p on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:19PM (#18934738)
I like being alive. I don’t generally extend my personal scale of experience beyond my neighborhood let alone intergalactic diplomatic relations. If we destroyed an alien civ, life would be as it were before meeting them, which was fine. Why do aliens need to factor into your world view?
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by rangibaby on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:08PM (#18900329)
Humans have managed to wipe out most of the interesting things on the planet without even trying
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday January 14, 2019 @12:43AM (#18900943)
Yet we make an effort to preserve those things, and seek peace among ourselves despite our differences.
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by ryanmercer on Monday January 14, 2019 @09:11AM (#18903021)
>I've long held an unsupported belief that life anywhere in any form would "converge" upon only a few interesting things left to do after having mastered rearranging atoms and forces in any configuration they desire.

Like plaguing Picard and crew on the USS Enterprise.

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by colordrops on Monday January 14, 2019 @01:32AM (#18901102)
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by colordrops on Monday January 14, 2019 @01:37AM (#18901123)
I really don't like these statements that so assuredly close out one possibility on some mysterious phenomenon through a fallacious argument. We don't know what these signals are. We don't know everything about the universe. How are we so sure what it is not?

I mean, it only took me 5 seconds to come up with some technically not impossible (though improbable) hypothesis. What if that is the signature of a worm hole drive kicking in? That would explain why it's everywhere.

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by rangibaby on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:12PM (#18900353)
It’s probably intergalactic TV like sports, infomercials, or something religious

/edit or a cellphone network

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by renholder on Sunday January 13, 2019 @08:31PM (#18899925)
>So how could aliens organize so much of the universe to engage in broadcasting the same sort of signal?

My uneducated guess: Their version of an atomic clock?

(I warned you it was an uneducated guess...)

Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by JohnJamesRambo on Sunday January 13, 2019 @10:55PM (#18900513)
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by renholder on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:26AM (#18909881)
^This guy/gal gets it. =]
Re:Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radi... by YeGoblynQueenne on Sunday January 13, 2019 @08:02PM (#18899797)
>> So how could aliens organize so much of the universe to engage in broadcasting the same sort of signal?

Er, inter-galactic empire?

If we're going to start imagining aliens with hyper-advanced super-technology, why stop? We can imagine aliens that can do anything they like.

Then again, there is nothing that says some alien species can't have a lifespan of a few billion years, enough to make the trek from one galaxy to the next, with time to spare for lunch. Perhaps those bursts are their inter-galactic Skype, sending selfies back home: "Me standing in front of that hot new Supernova we just spotted!".

Like I say, we can imagine anything we like.