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Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by aasasd on Saturday January 12, 2019 @07:42AM (#18890942)
It's curious how Russian (or Slavic?) people never abandoned remnants of pagan traditions despite calling themselves Christians. Fairy tales and merchandise galore, dozens if not hundreds of superstitions. Plenty of older people still believe in folk magic practiced by ‘gifted’ individuals (pretty much witches), though apparently with God's blessing.

The same happened with religion and socialism: bolsheviks didn't hold back on killing priests, but the religion went strong (though it's said that the opposition to religion was abandoned in the light of unifying rhetoric of '41–45).

Basically, people don't seem to care about ideological purity as long as the rhetoric is attractive.

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by pndy on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:48AM (#18891131)
There are still people who are worshiping old "forgotten" faith; in some cases they're being used by political entities who are incorporating Slavic faith under Pan-Slavism ideology (the further on East in Europe, the more often that happens). In most of the cases the blending between Slavic and Christianity occurred and you can see that Dziady were evolved into All Souls' Day, or Noc Kupały - Kupala Night (Midsummer) turned into St. John's Day and so on.

But this is not exclusive to Slavic faith - absorption of cults happened in the history many times when those on a stronger position were conquering those who were weaker. Slavs had to abandon their faith in the face of growing Christianity and baptize, turn themselves into Christians in order to avoid being raided by neighbors and treated as infidels.

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by ordu on Saturday January 12, 2019 @11:18AM (#18891809)
My guess that it is due to authoritarian nature of any ideology in Russia. Vladimir the Great[1] made some research into modern (to him) religions, selected christianity, and ordered his people to believe into Christ (not Islam because "Drinking is the joy of all Rus'. We cannot exist without that pleasure"). It was all about politics and business, and christianity from the very start in Russia was a tool in a hand of a ruler. Bolsheviks killed priests and then ressurected religion: they were unable to trust to Ortodox Church, so they destroyed it, and then built new trusted Ortodox Church. Top-down approach, you cannot be fully serious with beliefs that you was told to believe.

The other guess is a family, which is important in Russia and to maintain tradition is like to honor ancestors. One of the traditions is to drink vodka at the graveyard with dead relatives. Come with your family to show to dead grandparents their grandchildren. Drink vodka and leave a glass of vodka and a piece of bread to the dead to show that your life is good and you can afford to buy food and entertainment.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_the_Great

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by c-smile on Saturday January 12, 2019 @03:29PM (#18893113)
This "to show that your life is good and you can afford to buy food and entertainment" is very far from the truth.
Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by cat199 on Saturday January 12, 2019 @12:27PM (#18892182)
Nice spin -

contrary and conveniently omitted parts from your own wikipedia article, which itself is condensed from the source documents (http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.k.harrington/christin.html):

"Vladimir the Great sent envoys to study the religions of the various neighboring nations ... Of the Muslim Bulgarians of the Volga the envoys reported there is no gladness among them, only sorrow and a great stench ... In the churches of the Germans his emissaries saw no beauty; but at Constantinople, where the full festival ritual of the Byzantine Church was set in motion to impress them, they found their ideal: "We no longer knew whether we were in heaven or on earth", they reported, describing a majestic Divine Liturgy in Hagia Sophia, "nor such beauty, and we know not how to tell of it." Vladimir was impressed by this account of his envoys."

but yes, lets highlight the drinking quote and the authority, and ignore the rest.

And concerning the Bolsheviks, you state:

"Bolsheviks killed priests and then ressurected religion: they were unable to trust to Ortodox Church"

This was not a "trust" matter.

Marxist ideology holds destruction of religion as a core tenet.

nevermind further that bolsheviks were also financed by hostile outside groups, both geographically and theologically..

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by ordu on Saturday January 12, 2019 @03:21PM (#18893069)
> but yes, lets highlight the drinking quote and the authority, and ignore the rest.

Quote about drinking is funny. Sorry about it, couldn't hold myself from quoting.

But I'm not sure what do you not like with authority. IIRC in Novgorod there was a riot, which was supressed. It was Vladimir's decision that Rus needs new religion, it is not like people came to Vladimir and ask him to find new god instead of their old and mossy ones.

> This was not a "trust" matter. > Marxist ideology holds destruction of religion as a core tenet.

Maybe. You know, I do not believe in ideologies. At least I do not believe that government is moved by ideology. Ideology is used as an excuse sometimes. But if something that ideology suggests is not wise to do now, then it wouldn't be done.

> nevermind further that bolsheviks were also financed by hostile outside groups, both geographically and theologically..

Yeah, I do not mind it, really. It is a complete BS: if those groups were hostile, why did they bother to finance bolsheviks? They probably were not friends, but at least partners they were.

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by gbear605 on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:09AM (#18891022)
What do you think Santa Claus is? He’s certainly not in the bible.
Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by aasasd on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:16AM (#18891037)
I'm pretty sure saints aren't from paganism.
Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by scottlocklin on Saturday January 12, 2019 @11:33AM (#18891895)
You should look a bit harder; some of them seem to be. At least elements of them. Dog faced St. Christopher. St. Brigid. Eostre taking place when it does. Heck, read 'the Heliand.' Early Church fathers were pretty explicit in their reasons for doing this.
Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by sorokod on Saturday January 12, 2019 @10:40AM (#18891591)
The Christian religion with its three gods (https://catholicbible101.com/theholytrinity.htm),the cult of virgin mary and multitude of saints - in what significant ways does it differ from paganism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism) ?
Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by hobgoblin1234 on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:42AM (#18891116)
... syncretism.

Heroes with a thousand faces

Re:Vintage “Soviet Santa” Postcards Were Propaganda for the ... by tlogan on Saturday January 12, 2019 @01:42PM (#18892596)
Yes - there is a lot of pagan traditions still alive and well in Slavic nations. In my personal experience, Slavic nations has much more pagan traditions than Germanic or Romance nations.

I assume that pagan traditions were prompted by the state in the same reason how Hitler promoted pagan traditions to unify all Germans.