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Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by dstaley on Friday January 11, 2019 @04:28PM (#18887254)
Stories like this make me incredibly wary about the future of my Google account. I've been using it for almost twelve years. It has a copy of every photo/video I've taken for almost eight years. It's what I use to download apps, listen to music, and pay for things, and get around. I'd be absolutely devastated if I suddenly lost it. I've been planning for a while now a sort of contingency plan where I regularly backup my emails and photos, but from what I've read even that's difficult to do.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by 8ytecoder on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:11PM (#18887681)
Every time a comment like this comes up I say the same thing: Your email address is very very valuable and everything in the digital world is tied to it one way or the other. Own the domain so you can port it to another provider. Keep a copy of your emails somewhere - a mail app on your laptop?

If you use drive, sync it fully to a laptop.

It's not just Google, any service - paid or free, can and will shutdown your account. It's something you have to assume will happen to you - not just some random stranger on the internet. I don't know about you but I definitely don't want to deal with losing all my digital documents, pictures and most important all my accounts by losing my email address.

No one should be complacent about this.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by EduardoBautista on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:21PM (#18887757)
You know, I currently use my own domain for email.

Maybe I am paranoid, but I worry about that when I die, my domain will expire, and then someone will register that domain and set up email accounts with it.

They would be able to access so many services that I would have left open after my death. I still don't know how to handle this apart from leaving a fund to someone I trust to have my domain renewed for a few more decades after my death.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by dstaley on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:29PM (#18887810)
You don't even need to die for this to be an issue. Your registrar could just screw up and sell your domain to someone else. Or your registrar could have a security breach resulting in your domain being transferred. There's a myriad of ways the "own your domain" solution could fail, so it's really about which risks you're willing to take.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by EduardoBautista on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:35PM (#18887856)
Yes, I have thought about this as well.

One of the reasons I am in the process of moving all of my domains to Gandi is because they appear to be the only reputable domain registrar that supports U2F. I take security extremely seriously when it comes to my domains.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by techsupporter on Friday January 11, 2019 @07:41PM (#18888629)
> One of the reasons I am in the process of moving all of my domains to Gandi is because they appear to be the only reputable domain registrar that supports U2F.

I use Gandi and am quite pleased with their security settings. Not only is my account secured with an absurdly long password, I have U2F enabled and I have enabled the IP restriction list so that authentication only succeeds when coming from one of them. They even fixed my only quibble. In the past, if I logged in with valid credentials but from an unlisted IP, the error message would say "you're coming from an IP that's not permitted." Now the message for all types of failures--bad password, wrong IP, incorrect TOTP code--is the same so an attacker can't confirm valid credentials.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by mneubrand on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:55PM (#18887997)
Namecheap now finally supports TOTP and U2F is on their roadmap. I was close to dropping them before this recent development but it seems like they finally take this seriously
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by JChase2 on Friday January 11, 2019 @06:15PM (#18888135)
I always recommend namecheap when I can. Even though I technically work for a competitor lol. They're working on U2F: https://www.namecheap.com/blog/true-totp-2fa-and-u2f-are-com...
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by steelframe on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:49PM (#18887953)
> I worry about that when I die, my domain will expire, and then someone will register that domain and set up email accounts with it.

The good news is that you will be dead, and so you won't be worrying about anything at all.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by sbov on Friday January 11, 2019 @06:16PM (#18888139)
Your spouse might though, considering they could rack up charges on shared debit and credit cards.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by komali2 on Friday January 11, 2019 @06:13PM (#18888121)
I bought my domain through domains.google.com though, lol

Though, my nameservers are on bluehost. My biggest issue is figuring out other aspects of google-tied-ness. For example, everyone has my @gmail email right now. Websites, newsletters, contacts, everybody. Untying that will take a while. Also, I use Inbox for organizing my mail, and I like that a lot. I need to figure out a way to get similar functionality while using a [email protected] domain... either forwarding or something... but then how do I send mail FROM [email protected]?

Mail stuff is so obscure to me, I'd love to sit down and learn it sometime but there's always something "more pressing" for a work project or whatever for me to learn.

EDIT: So, I decided to give it another go. Seems impossible through Inbox, but through gmail I found a thing under settings to "add another email address I own" that lets me input manually the SMTP information that bluehost shows for my email. Might be working, who knows. I'm stuck waiting for google's "verify" email to turn up in my bluehost web inbox.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by etimberg on Friday January 11, 2019 @09:01PM (#18889037)
I just started the process of moving from gmail to an email on a custom domain through https://www.migadu.com/en/index.html. The setup process was pretty painfree and they provide very detailed setup instructions.

I haven't set my gmail to forward to the new email yet. I've spent the last month or so unsubscribing from a lot of email newsletters. Once I get the mail volume down even further, I'll setup gmail to autoforward and then give out my new email to those who need it.

I haven't yet found a Google Calendar substitute but that's lower priority right now.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by jnieminen on Friday January 11, 2019 @11:01PM (#18889553)
iCloud calendar or hosting your own think on nextcloud?
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by cortesoft on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:37PM (#18887866)
What if someone hijacks your domain?
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by pascalxus on Friday January 11, 2019 @04:54PM (#18887534)
Yes, and you can't trust yahoo mail either. I lost mine about 8 years ago for completely unknown reasons. they just randomly shut it down one day. I was completely appalled and vowed to never ever use another yahoo product as long as i live. I wonder how many other people had a similar experience.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by ndnxhs on Friday January 11, 2019 @04:39PM (#18887381)
Its not particularly hard to back up your google data. The hard part is switching emails when the old one gets suddenly taken from you.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by 2Ccltvcm on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:20PM (#18887747)
Get your own domain and start using it for email. Auto-forward your existing emails to your new email provider. Over time your use of your primary email will asymptotically reach zero. After a few years you will realize that if the original email disappeared overnight, nothing of value would be lost. You have to start the switch TODAY.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by ndnxhs on Friday January 11, 2019 @09:33PM (#18889186)
Yeah thats what I have done and its not too bad. The one question I have is what email to I put for my domain stuff. If my domain name provider suspends my domain for some reason how do I contact them if my email has also gone down?
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by cesnja on Saturday January 12, 2019 @03:58AM (#18890380)
A phone. Or some other email along with providing a way of identifying yourself.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by lvs on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:19PM (#18887745)
I agree -- this single point of failure is incredibly scary. There must be a legal mechanism established to ensure consumers are protected. This is an inevitable technological cycle within markets:

1) a technology arises

2) usage spreads across consumers

3) consumers become deeply reliant on it

4) megacorps coalesce dominating market power over it

5) consumers demand protections from the government

We have to get to step 5.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by mdpopescu on Friday January 11, 2019 @06:35PM (#18888263)
I would love to get protection from the government. What company does that? /s
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by akimball on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:07PM (#18894342)
Academi.com will do it, if you are the high bidder.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by davchana on Friday January 11, 2019 @04:43PM (#18887418)
The easiest way to mirror gmail, i have heard & am using is, to set a filter in gmail, forward every mail received to Hotmail. So, any point, Hotmail inbox is a pretty segregated but exact copy of Gmail
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by clairity on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:19PM (#18887738)
so you give two privacy ignoring companies all of your email (as well as portions of your email correspondents) instead of one? is control and some measure of privacy not worth the $50 or whatever to set up a paid account somewhere like https://www.protonmail.com/ ?
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by davchana on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:53PM (#18887980)
Your sarcastic comment is totally unwanted. Nowhere I talked about Privacy, just that its very unlikely of a user to get locked out of accessing all old emails at two major provides at same time. The thread itself is about Google, and the comment I replied to is worried about getting locked out of Emails at Google.

What are protonmail policies for unwanted user? Lockout? Backup?

$50 for you might be a whatever amount, but in few places it is a lot, and not desirable or able to spend this much on email.

By any chance do you work or connected with protonmail? I am connected with neither of all three, but have accounts at all three, just like anybody else.

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by 2Ccltvcm on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:18PM (#18887730)
Do you want to keep your photos and videos forever? You have to take your data in your own hands. At the very minimum keep an offline backup of things you care about.
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by dddddaviddddd on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:38PM (#18887874)
I use a simple getmail[0] script to download all my Gmail automatically, and I use an address on my own domain too. For Google Photos however I haven't found a great backup solution, especially one that can work on Linux/FreeBSD.

[0] http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/

Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by benwaffle on Friday January 11, 2019 @07:16PM (#18888501)
I found this recently https://github.com/mholt/photobak
Re:I Can No Longer Recommend Google Fi by dstaley on Friday January 11, 2019 @08:50PM (#18888976)
Photobak is really close, but Google's API apparently has several issues making it not a true solution. IIRC you can't download the original uploaded bytes, and you can't get the original EXIF data.