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Re:The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan by JohnBooty on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @12:44PM (#18866811)
In terms of martial arts action those movies are pale shadows of his earlier Hong Kong work.

Partially because Chan is older in those movies and is a little less physically capable.

But IMO mostly because of Hollywood's unfortunate style of directing fights and martial arts battles.

Traditional Hong Kong martial arts movies use a lot of wide and long, unbroken shots. You can really see the performers performing these physical acts of skill and beauty -- you see their entire bodies, it's almost like watching performers on a stage. Which is of course Chan's background.

In contrast, Western directors typically use a lot of fast, tight, jerky, almost seizure-inducing cuts. A closeup of a fist hitting a face. A closeup of an elbow hitting a knee. A closeup of a face showing somebody's reaction to the pain. Etc. etc etc. There's much less continuity. 98% of the scenes are probably shot by stunt/body doubles. It doesn't take a lot of talent for an actor to pull off a scene like that, at least not compared to the traditional HK style where the actors have had a lifetime of martial arts training.

Of course, those are vast generalizations. You can name plenty of counterexamples from both schools!

Re:The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan by fraudsyndrome on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @11:19PM (#18871490)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P75XwOm2JWw

Perhaps one of the most best(worst) examples of hollywoods "type" of fight scene - yes this is from netflix but more in reference to any semi-large scale film production in the west.

Re:The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan by thedaemon on Friday January 11, 2019 @05:47PM (#18887937)
Here is the opposite of that from Netflix's Daredevil. An extended hallway scene. Perhaps a nod to Oldboy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV1Vzn6xwqQ

Re:The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan by pimlottc on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @02:39PM (#18868036)
WRT your comments regarding framing/cutting techniques, the episode of “Every Frame a Painting” mentioned elsewhere in this discussion goes into this in depth and really demonstrates how it makes a big difference in the type of action that Jackie excels at. Highly recommended if you haven’t watched it before (along with the rest of the videos in the series).
Re:The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan by JohnBooty on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @04:15PM (#18868973)
I will definitely check that out!