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Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous communication

After years of reading articles like [0], I’m finally considering getting rid of my cell phone. However, I still like being able to call and text people out of range of a free Wi-Fi network. What are my options for achieving this? Are there companies building something in this space?

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18857220

( 15 comments | 19 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by bigiain on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:56PM (#18861369)
Kinda tough to replicate the service of a nation(global)-wide cellular comms network when that's what everybody on the other end of your calls and texts are using...

One option might be to use a non-cellular device (like an iPod Touch) connecting to a cellular hotspot with a "burner phone" sim (with a useable data plan)? "They" could still track that cellular device, but it'd up the ante quite a bit, since it would be very hard for an attacker to know the number. It wouldn't be "Screw you NSA, I've 'gone dark'!!!" secure, but it's probably stop a repo man or malicious ex from paying a bounty hunter to track you.

If you're prepared to drop the "calls" but, and fall back to just text messaging - have a look here: https://www.thethingsnetwork.org - there doesn't seem to be _quite_ enough coverage where I live to get reliable connectivity out of that assuming 2-3km LoRa range (although it seems like if I put one in at my place it'd fill in a coverage gap quite nicely...)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by wilsonnb3 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @09:41PM (#18861837)
Apple Watch with LTE isn’t technically a cell phone, although you still need an iPhone if you go that route. You can just keep it plugged in at home all the time though.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by guard0g on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @11:26PM (#18862260)
On the ham radio side, Winlink 2000 is a mesh radio network that allows email transmission over radio frequencies. It runs parallel to the internet with nodes that interconnect the two networks. You do not need to be a ham radio operator to use the Winlink system - only if you intend to stand up a node with transmission capability. For more info see https://winlink.org
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by subway on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:58PM (#18861375)
Assuming you're OK with moving to an internet connection for replies, FLEX pagers are a reasonable way to receive alerts. You can even do something nutty like put an SMS/MMS gateway on an android phone, with notification or encrypted messages delivered 'last mile' over the pager network.

I dream of a device with WiFi, LTE, and FLEX, with the ability to power on/off each subsystem individually.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by ryanmercer on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @08:44AM (#18864587)
Just get a faraday pouch/box for your phone? Turn it off, put it in the pouch/box, pull it out and power it on as needed.

Or just turn it off when not in use.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by luxpir on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @05:25PM (#18869615)
I see two options that address the concerns and goals realistically.

1. Put a dumb phone in a faraday bag for 99% of its life.

2. Keep a physical phone book and ask strangers or businesses to use their phones. Paying your way, of course.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by code_beers on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @05:04PM (#18869436)
What about a computer or tablet with a cellular modem on a cash-paid plan and a Skype account or similar service?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by d--b on Thursday January 10, 2019 @08:05AM (#18873514)
Maybe check how sailors do it when they’re in the middle of the ocean?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by jki275 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @08:13AM (#18873549)
Expensive satellite communication networks.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by PaulHoule on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:16PM (#18861133)
For non-commercial use you and your friends can become ham radio operators.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by snazz on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:18PM (#18861148)
I do have a license, actually. I’m not sure I can convince my relatives to join in on the plan, though. It would certainly work between friends with cheap Baofeng portable radios, though the range sure isn’t cross-country.

Edit: range wouldn’t be cross country on VHF or UHF, which is what Baofengs use.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by ohazi on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @08:20PM (#18861492)
You could build a relay system that lets you galavant across town while sending and receiving messages between your handheld radio <-> house/apartment <-> internet.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by anderiv on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @08:33PM (#18861553)
You can, but not in any secret way, at least not without breaking FCC rules. Encrypted comms on Amateur radio bands aren’t permitted.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by lettergram on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:02PM (#18861049)
Could get a satellite connection
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to a cell phone for spontaneous comm... by ronsor on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:12PM (#18861103)
it will be super expensive