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Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by amluto on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:04PM (#18851981)
I would love to see an Ethernet spec for >100m runs, perhaps at lower speeds. If I could do 1 Gbps at 150m on Cat 6A cable without egregiously exceeding the spec, it would be great.
Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by rocqua on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @04:24AM (#18854389)
It's possible to link together two wifi APs by removing the antennas on both APs, and linking the antennas by SMA-coax cable.

I know this works for normal Wifi modes. Now I wonder if you could get this to work with MIMO. From my limited understanding, it should be possible if the cables have lengths that vary by about 5-15cm.

Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by voxadam on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:06AM (#18854950)
Isn't this effectively how MoCA works?
Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by rocqua on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @09:27AM (#18855674)
From some preliminary reading it seems like MoCA uses a protocol different from WiFi, since it seems to operate between 1000 and 1500 MHz.

The protocol used is probably more efficient, since it doesn't have WiFi's problem of the signal following multiple paths.

Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by imstillhere on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @08:17AM (#18855295)
100m is not a hard limit, but just a maximum limit that Ethernet devices are guaranteed to work correctly. If you have good cables that are terminated correctly, you can actually exceed this limit.

But exactly how much you can push the limit would be an interesting experiment for another day.

Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by Dylan16807 on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:15PM (#18852055)
As long as you meet the signal integrity standards, I don't think you majorly violate anything. So run one speed level slower than your cable normally supports and do some math on crosstalk per meter.
Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by amluto on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @06:04PM (#18860650)
I'd be more worried about skew. CAT5e and 6a seem to have the same delay skew spec, and I can easily imagine Ethernet PHYs that are simply unable to operate beyond 100Mbps with out-of-spec skew.

CAT7 seems dubious (not recognized at all by everyone in the industry) but has a tighter delay skew spec, so this would help.

Another potential issue would be if the PHY has an equalizer that can handle reflections due to not-quite-perfect termination at 100m or closer but has trouble beyond 100m.

Something like a 1000BASE-T-LR or something that just means "1 Gbps over CAT [whatever is needed] if properly installed at lengths up to 200m" would be quite nice. Most likely a lot of equipment would meet that spec out-of-the-box.

Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by rocqua on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @04:17AM (#18854343)
Not sure whether this still holds for 1Gb and faster ethernet, but there used to be a maximum length due to collision detection.

An ethernet frame has a minimal length, and since the cable (used to be) a shared medium, frames could collide. Such a collision could be detected by senders whilst sending the frame, allowing for a re-send. However, when the cable is long enough, you could get collisions happen after you are finished sending.

I'm guessing that the newer standards that only allow point to point connections invalidate those requirements though.

Re:Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? (2013) by Dylan16807 on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @04:35AM (#18854428)
That's not actually true. When the 100 meter limit was established, a minimum-length frame would be 10 kilometers long.