I interpret his comment as pointing out a value to intangibles that are sometimes overlooked when viewing the country through a broad economic lens.
Instead of levelling the playing field, I expect the brexit will just create an even bigger divide between the wealthy and the poor.
But doesn't mass immigration also hurt those at the bottom? It's not the well off that are facing competition for jobs, housing etc. is it?
Housing competition is fundamentally local - everyone in the world wants London property, regardless of living there. Nobody wants houses in Stoke on Trent.
That's a pretty bold assertion, not what a quick google reflects
My guess is that neither can find anything with a quick google search and are just hoping that this thread dies.
Refusing to provide citations makes it seem like you have something to hide, regardless of the others' intention.
Brexit is about having fewer immigrants in the country.
My driving instructor was very honest with me, even if I was a foreigner. He said 50% of his students are foreigners. But he still voted for Brexit even if he knows it will make him worse off financially. He just wants fewer immigrants in the country.
It's worth noting that, we as a country fail to integrate those people. It's not their fault.
It's worth double-noting, that those people are not the people we're removing ourselves from. We're actually removing ourselves from those who are culturally similar enough to integrate independently.
Immigration is /going/ to happen, it's a net positive for the country, in fact it's required to sustain the country. You've just ensured that it's the "brown people" who get imported.
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Please bear in mind, I have no ill-will to anyone from those countries, but when people argue against immigration it's almost always because of the polish (which was hugely self-inflicted) or "brown people". The majority of leavers I know don't expect this outcome, they think it'll be a net decline in all immigration (including those from India, Pakistan etc;)
because? If it's because we aren't fertile enough, or our education system isn't good enough, or we aren't paying enough for certain jobs, why not address this?
I'm interested to know whether you think there should be any upper limit to the population of the UK: 100m? 500m? more?
Also - a population highly burdened with a lot of children tends to produce less value. It keeps more people out of work.
Migration is the most ethical of those.
As a Canadian (and I imagine citizen of pretty much any non-european commonwealth country) I had to chuckle a bit. After being treated like a resource-extraction milking machine historically and then maintaining this pseudo-ceremonial allegiance to a royal head of state it seems funny for someone from the mothership to bemoan a loss of sovereignty and self-determination.
No ill-will intended, just struck me as humorous in what is in all other regards a very humorless situation...
I went to the beach with the dog on New Year's day - there were thousands of other people, the roads were clogged, and it spoiled the experience. Buying in the countryside is often not an option depending on your career, because many jobs are only available in the South East, hence you are forced to live in a hyper-competitive area, fighting it out with millions of others for your tiny slice of England.
I'm just trying to explain that my reasons for wanting lower immigration have nothing to do with xenophobia, and everything to do with the realities of life in the SE UK. Injecting millions more people is going to make it a massive miserable conurbation, in my view.
I see Brexit as the losers in the globalization push taking their revenge on the winners.
We’re not in Shengen. You can’t just stroll across.
This trope about discarding democracy is tired too. A democracy isn’t “choose once and keep forever”. We are free to change our minds. Or are you surprised that we have general elections every so often?
Imagine the contempt with which calls for a second referendum would be treated if it were remain that had won. Not to mention, we were told that the vote would settle the issue for a generation. Oh whoops, apparently only if we voted remain!
How did you miss this?
What does this actually mean specifically? What policy changes do you want that you think you can't have within the EU?
> sovereign nation once again
The UK is sovereign. It's just made some international agreements to align with other countries. If you think the EU is bad for this, wait until you see things like TTIP: all of the legislative override, ability to sue the state in foreign courts etc, and none of the democracy.
> The UK is sovereign. It's just made some international agreements to align with other countries. If you think the EU is bad for this, wait until you see things like TTIP: all of the legislative override, ability to sue the state in foreign courts etc, and none of the democracy.
One wonders how those poor impoverished nations outside of the big trading blocs survive!
How aware are you of the current UK visa tier system? What kinds of people do you think are currently immigrating that would not be eligible under a points based system?
>One wonders how those poor impoverished nations outside of the big trading blocs survive!
Generally they are poor and impoverished, yes. Or they have a deal with the EU and US. Or are tiny exceptions like Singapore.
This idea that the UK is inevitably doomed outside of the EU is such a canard - fact is, it cannot be known either way until it happens.
You're literally ignoring the fact, that most congestion in London and S/E England is due to internal migration. You're blaming EU migrants for your discomfort, the ones that are most likely to work for a bit and go back to their countries.
I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to. I think it would be nice to move freely between the NAFTA nations.
Disclaimer - I'm not trying to be hateful.
That seems like a completely nonsense, garbage statement. Brexit is primarily about money and economics, from what I can tell on the outside looking in.
So what was your purpose in writing that?