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Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by devwastaken on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:20AM (#18845805)
>I do not appreciate your remark about our community and Czech-speaking part of it. This is rude and uncalled for.

There was no offense being given. In my experience there isn't sympathy for crying wolf here, and doing so only serves to harm whatever else you have to say.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by vanderZwan on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:35AM (#18845919)
Putting it right after "programming cult" makes misreadings very easy though.

EDIT: Also, it's a bit of a silly remark because which group of programming language fanboys doesn't look a bit cult-ish to the uninitiated?

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by 9214 on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:27AM (#18845848)
OP can always correct me if I'm wrong in my defensiveness.
Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by DSingularity on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:21AM (#18846468)
Okay, but just an FYI that was probably a complement.

Wizardry and magic has positive vibes in American culture. I can see how that might not be the case in others.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by 9214 on Monday January 07, 2019 @12:41PM (#18847609)
"Wizardry" surrounded by "cult", "no highly visible projects" and "shortcomings", followed by unbacked focus on a particular national group reads more like "quackery" to me.

I get that meaning might be lost in translation, but also think that it's fair to assume the worst, esp. on an Internet forum.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by Spare_account on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:09PM (#18848797)
> [I] think that it's fair to assume the worst, esp. on an Internet forum.

As per HackerNews Guidelines page [1]:

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by 9214 on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:45PM (#18849209)
Touche.
Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by ummonk on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:24PM (#18848229)
This definitely seems like a language issue. “Wizardry” has a very positive connotation of using technical magic to achieve amazing results.
Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by sevensor on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:19PM (#18848161)
> it's fair to assume the worst

I, on the other hand, will upvote your comments because they add context to my own.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by wiremine on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:52AM (#18846110)
I'm not the OP (and not associated with red an anyway, other than being a fan of REBOL), and I agree the wording deserved to be called out. "cult" and "Czech wizardry" aren't exactly positive framing words. Hopefully this doesn't spiral into a discussion about PC comments, because red looks to be cool and deserves a good technical discussion; but I don't think 9214 was off base calling out the comment.
Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by vanderZwan on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:55AM (#18846154)
> "Czech wizardry"

It could be a compliment of course, like "wow, this stuff is amazing tech wizardry that should be much more appreciated, and probably would be if not for the language barrier!"

Let's just agree that natural languages are too fuzzy and ambiguous and assume good faith.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by 9214 on Monday January 07, 2019 @12:08PM (#18847105)
Frankly, I don't get what Czech has to do with it and why it was mentioned.

Major part of old-timers (from Rebol era) in our community are indeed Czech people, but Red development was initiated in France, moved to China, and now bridges people across the whole Europe.

Putting such emphasis on nationality without any clear reason IMO looks strange and raises my eyebrow, to say the least.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by MikeLui on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:16PM (#18848121)
I'm reminded of this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/opinion/reclaiming-jew.ht...

> To be “a real Christian” is a compliment, but to be “a real Jew” is considered an insult.

Re:Red Programming Language: Plans for 2019 by 9214 on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:28AM (#18846546)
I admit that I can get off the base when it comes to critique from outsiders uninvolved in the project, and appreciate cross-checks from others.

Besides, a warning shot won't hurt anyone.