Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by rectang on Sunday January 06, 2019 @09:28PM
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One more instance of how the interests of vendors and the interests of developers are not aligned. Microsoft and Apple don't want you learning portable skills -- they want to limit your future prospects to developing only for their specific platform.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by kkarakk on Monday January 07, 2019 @06:35AM
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noob here - how come no one is making a cross platform API to abstract away this stuff? whenever i read about opengl or vulkan or metal or whatever w/ the tutorial going "learn this engine to bypass complexities of bare api usage", it's my first thought
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by jcelerier on Monday January 07, 2019 @07:53AM
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> noob here - how come no one is making a cross platform API to abstract away this stuff?
... but there are hundred of cross-platform APIs to abstract this stuff - unity3d, unreal engine, qt3d, etc...
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by orbat on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @04:57AM
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Unity or Unreal aren't 3D rendering APIs, they're game engines
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by miketuritzin on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:24PM
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Vulkan is supposed to be the cross-platform API, but Apple isn't supporting it (and doing their own thing with Metal, as per usual). From what I've heard, Vulkan was originally "OpenGL 5" so while OpenGL continues to exist Vulkan is effectively its successor. There is MoltenVK, which allows Vulkan applications to run on top of Metal.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by chrisbennet on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @09:53AM
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SFML (Simple Fast Media Library) and SDL are cross platform and hide most of OpenGL boiler plate. I've used SFML but just to make Shaders and output some text.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by rleigh on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @07:18AM
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I think you're correct that the old GL API made it quick to get stuff working, but the modern GL is much nicer once you get past the overhead of setting up all the VBOs etc. That only needs doing once, and then you're set.
I've recently been following along a vulkan tutorial to get started with that, in the odd evening over the last few weeks. I'm six chapters in, and I've yet to even draw a single triangle. That's still about five chapters away. While I can appreciate that the flexibility of the setup to remove much of the implicit state contained within the GL state machine is good, I can't help but wish for a wrapper to just make it work for a typical scenario, and let me render stuff with a minimum of fuss.
I'm unsure about where Metal will fit in the future. No matter how great it is, it's a vendor-specific proprietary API and I suspect that Vulkan will be the next cross-platform API which will wrap Metal or DX12 when a native Vulkan driver isn't available.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by gugagore on Sunday January 06, 2019 @09:12PM
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I hope it's not too off-topic, but I feel this sort of thing has happened before with developing GUI programs in Visual Basic, drawing to the screen with turtle graphics, (or instead whatever routines BASIC tended to have). Curious if others share the sentiment with other examples too.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Sunday January 06, 2019 @09:49PM
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Oh yeah, totally. Maybe I'm looking at it with rose-colored glasses because I was younger, but the way I remember it personal computing used to be about enabling users. At some point there was this huge attitude shift towards being condescending toward users and treating them like cattle. So now, instead of trying to bridge the gap between computer "user" and computer "programmer", we forcibly drive a giant wedge between them.
Re:How to Start Learning Computer Graphics Programming
by zozbot123 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @10:06PM
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The underlying issue is that many novice users don't see the problem with being condescended to, even when this severely inconveniences the more "developer-like" power users we used to enable. That "wedge" is just what the Eternal September of personal computing looks like.
With Apple working to eliminate all traces of OpenGL with Metal, and Microsoft already having abandoned it close to two decades ago, I feel it's close to the end of the road for fixed function OpenGL. It was a wonderful part of graphics development history that, sadly, future beginners will likely not be able to experience.