Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by brianpgordon on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:01AM
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I'm not sure that a recorded video would have been the same. The source for the techcrunch article says:
> The Singapore Police Force in an earlier statement, said that Wham had organised an indoor public assembly featuring a foreign speaker, which required a Police permit.
Although given that political films are also banned, maybe a prerecorded video would have been illegal under a different law.
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by angelsl on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:32PM
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The problem is the intent of the gathering, not that it had a foreign speaker. (Not that I agree with the law, but that's what it says.)
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by mempko on Friday January 04, 2019 @10:54AM
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And? Some laws are stupid and must be broken.
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by angelsl on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:34PM
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If you don't like a law, change it, don't break it and get yourself in trouble.
This is basically the difference between East Asian cultures and Western/American culture. We value a balance of order and individual rights, you guys value individual rights over all.
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by tempest473 on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:10PM
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It is funny how in these kinds of discusions it is always "you guys have excesive amount of A and not enought of B, whilst we have a perfect balace of A and B" instead of "you value A more than we do, but we like B more".
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by tomjen3 on Friday January 04, 2019 @04:12PM
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Individual rights are just that -- not rights, not privileges and thus not subject to debate, thought they are of course frequently violated by totalitarian states to a greater or a somewhat lesser degree.
I know this is controversial, because the current rule is that you are not supposed to say that your moral system is right and the other guys system is wrong, but A is A and Freedom is not slavery, no matter how much that is yelled from the tops of mountains.
Re:Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assem...
by natechols on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:18PM
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For a bit of historical perspective, this was the same criticism made of the civil rights movement in the 1960s. Good thing MLK didn't try to follow your advice.
The fact is that
1. Jolovan Wham did organise a physical gathering of people 2. The gathering/assembly meets the definition as in the Public Order Act[1] 3. The venue, The Agora, meets the definition of a public place as in the Public Order Act
[1]: https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/POA2009
They could have been watching a recorded video and it would have been the same.