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Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by Johnythree on Thursday January 03, 2019 @09:37PM (#18821526)
What an idiotic article!

Almost every paragraph has multiple technical errors of a fundamental nature.

" ... but it was equally capable with AM (about 510 to 1620 kilohertz, which was referred to as “medium wave” in olden times), and the spectrum below that once quaintly known as long wave (148 to 420 kHz), and also FM."

AM and FM are modulation modes, not frequency bands. For example, most shortwave stations also transmit in AM. And on course FM is used in many places besides the VHF Broadcast band.

The Medium Wave and Long Wave bands are not "quaint". Those are the international designations for those particular wave bands.

"The preselector is a mechanism for filtering out frequencies that are closely adjacent to the frequency the operator selects, minimizing the potential interference from other signals on those nearby frequencies".

Completely wrong. Close in stations are removed by the main IF filter. A Preselector is a manually tuned RF stage which is intended to remove Image frequencies and other spurious responses.

And to say that a Preselector is "rare, possibly even unique" is utter nonsense. Good quality radios have an automatically tuned RF stage, it's only in cheap radios that a manual control substituted.

And it's a Band-Pass-Filter, not a Low-Pass-Filter.

"Hams on various Internet message boards argue about the relative technical merits".

No they don't. This is not a specialised Ham Receiver. It was specifically designed for Short-Wave Listeners.

I could go on.

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by madengr on Friday January 04, 2019 @08:03AM (#18823670)
Yep, the best receiver ever built is probably in the Flex 6000 series with the band filters. I have one, and it has insane amount of dynamic range, which is good as I have an AM station a few miles away.

http://www.sherweng.com/table.html

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by Koshkin on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:47AM (#18825415)
To be fair, consumer radios do use "AM" to label the medium wave band, so it de facto has dual meaning (regardless of the origin). It is unfortunate, but this kind of "misuse" of special terminology is rather widespread: for example we all often say "atomic" when we mean "nuclear." I agree that it is important for a general audience to be aware of the high-school physics, but to call an article idiotic for not insisting on it is not fair.
Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by Johnny555 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:36PM (#18821767)
This wasn't written for a technical audience (or they wouldn't have had to explain what each band was), "everyone" knows what AM and FM radio are, and few know (or care) that they are modulation modes.

Medium Wave and Long Wave bands are not "quaint". Those are the international designations for those particular wave bands.

Why can't they be both "quaint" and international designations?

The wikipedia description of a "preselector" sounds close to what they described:

A preselector typically is tuned to have a narrow bandwidth, centered on the receiver’s operating frequency. The preselector passes through the signal on the frequency it is tuned to unchanged, or only slightly diminished, but it reduces or removes off-frequency signals, cutting down or eliminating unwanted interference. However, a preselector does not remove interference on the same frequency that it and the receiver are both tuned to.

"Hams on various Internet message boards argue about the relative technical merits"...No they don't. This is not a specialised Ham Receiver. It was specifically designed for Short-Wave Listeners.

Are you sure they don't? Are you claiming that there's no overlap between hams and shortwave listeners? Here's one:

https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/526

Several of the commenters have their ham call-sign as their userid. So if there's just one more message board where hams discuss the unit, this statement can be marked true.

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by TeMPOraL on Friday January 04, 2019 @03:10AM (#18822629)
> This wasn't written for a technical audience (or they wouldn't have had to explain what each band was), "everyone" knows what AM and FM radio are, and few know (or care) that they are modulation modes.

Aiming at non-technical audience means you need to make things simpler, not wrong.

Also, since when non-technical people hang out at ieee.org?

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by Koshkin on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:56AM (#18825504)
Maybe, the ones who have typed "Grundig Radio" in the browser's search box?
Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by jnord on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:41PM (#18822008)
> This wasn't written for a technical audience (or they wouldn't have had to explain what each band was)...

The article appeared in the monthly magazine of IEEE, the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, so the audience is not completely non-technical.

However, having seen IEEE's decline first-hand over the past 25 years, they are clearly dumbing things down a bit to cater for all types of audiences, including non-EEs. Even their website now just uses the slogan "The world's largest technical professional organization for the advancement of technology", and many of its articles now fall into the styles of those of retail science magazines.

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by walrus01 on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:00AM (#18822080)
For practical electronics engineering and implementation, things like Bunnie Huang's blog and documentation of things like the Novena "laptop" have far surpassed traditional publications like the IEEE Spectrum.
Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by urubu on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:29AM (#18822544)
Shortwave listening used to be the gateway drug for many hams. That's the reason for the apparent overlap.

Receivers of this type are pretty useless on the ham bands. You can't even connect a proper antenna to it (technically you can, but the unit would struggle with overload issues).

73s, dg3mg

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by benj111 on Friday January 04, 2019 @03:20AM (#18822647)
>So if there's just one more message board where hams discuss the unit....

You can find exceptions to any absolute statement (including this one), that doesn't mean that all absolute statements are wrong.

Humans will talk about anything and everything. Try and think of something that would never come up on HN, and then search for it on the search bar. 'My little Pony' returns a surprising number of results.

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by alex_young on Friday January 04, 2019 @07:39AM (#18823560)
> This wasn't written for a technical audience (or they wouldn't have had to explain what each band was), "everyone" knows what AM and FM radio are, and few know (or care) that they are modulation modes.

I think it's worth pointing out that the difference between AM and FM being modulation is right in their respective names: Amplitude or Frequency Modulation. It's very descriptive - not exactly rocket science.

Re:Grundig Satellit 650 Radio by Johnythree on Friday January 04, 2019 @01:54AM (#18822436)
> The wikipedia description of a "preselector" sounds close to what they described:

It's also the description of a tuned RF stage, which any decent radio has. Except for cheap ones which make you manually tune it, and call that a "feature".

And read again what I said about the main IF filter. That's the one which removes adjacent stations.