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Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by Pfhreak on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:54PM (#18817230)
The parent was clearly talking about averages/the typical case. Sure, you can cherry pick cases where a single item under/over performs the average but it doesn't invalidate the above point.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by folkrav on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:56PM (#18817252)
If we're only talking averages, the average game isn't a very good value either - a whole lot of them suck bad and are, even at a discounted rate, a total waste of money. I'm still not really sold on this argument.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by x775 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:34PM (#18817720)
I appreciate that games might not be your thing, and I am sure many share that sentiment and thus spend their time and money elsewhere accordingly. I am not sure, however, how you can objectively reach the above conclusion. I would encourage you to browse through https://steamdb.info/graph/ which, among many other metrics, tracks average and median hours played for each title on Steam. If you hover popular titles like PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS or Grand Theft Auto V, for instance, you will find average total hours of 330.6 and 165.6, respectively. You can naturally also find niche titles with fewer hours; e.g. Broforce at 10.5 hours, or Blood Harvest at 7.0 hours, though niche titles tend to be cheaper (and shorter!) than mainstream triple-A games. It thus goes without saying that for those who do enjoy games, many find dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of hours of enjoyment in a single title.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by folkrav on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:39PM (#18817781)
Games definitely are my thing. It's actually why I feel confident in saying a whole lot of them are terrible.

Average play time doesn't mean much in terms of actual game quality and value for your money. I've played games just to go through them, get the story and play the sequel, the one that's actually good.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by x775 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:48PM (#18817898)
I appreciate that you have found enjoyment in some games despite categorising most of them as terrible. However, whilst the quality of any game is entirely subjective, I would very much argue that most people would not spend time playing a game they do not enjoy. I thus reckon a metric like average time played is a telling one in terms of whether people who purchased the game actually enjoy it. Mind you, most platforms offer refunds with no questions asked should a given game not meet your expectations.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by folkrav on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:16PM (#18818217)
I never said the whole lot is garbage. But a huge portion of them are at best passable or forgettable.

Average time played is not a good metric because people on both extremes will skew it heavily, like any average - people who bought the game but never played it, or people who play it way too much. It also depends a lot on the game. On an okay-ish game that has a +/-20h campaign will be pretty easy to munch through just to check it off, but one can easily abandon an okay-ish game with 5-10 minute matches after a handful of hours.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by x775 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:04PM (#18818719)
I apologise, I misread your initial message. I have edited accordingly. Thanks for the heads-up! I understand that you consider a huge portion of games as being at best passable or forgettable; but that is your inherently subjective opinion. It is not one which you can assume everyone shares, nor one you can use to draw objective conclusions. Indeed, the same can be said about music and movies. I only distinctively remember a subset of the movies I have watched, for instance.

I understand the point you are making in regards to average time played, but surely the people who, quote-unquote, play the game way too much, enjoy that specific game very much? Please note that you can also see the median playtime on the abovementioned website.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by bearcobra on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:53PM (#18819676)
most platforms offer refunds with no questions asked should a given game not meet your expectations

Is that a common practice? I once accidentally bought a "standard" version of a game instead of the "ultimate" on my Xbox One and had to deal with a couple of support people to refund my original purchase in order to get the other.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by x775 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @05:20PM (#18819919)
That is my impression, yes. If a platform operates within the EU, consumers have the right to withdraw from a purchase within 14 days. Platforms like Origin and Steam have gone above and beyond to simplify the process even further. As for Xbox / Microsoft Store specifically, I believe, today, you can simply click 'Request a return' on the item in your order history.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by TomMarius on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:44PM (#18817846)
But people don't play all games, they play games they like.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by folkrav on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:11PM (#18818165)
Same goes for music and movies, or pretty much any form of entertainment.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by TomMarius on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:50PM (#18819145)
Yes, and in that calculation (price slash hours of entertainment) movies mostly lose.
Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by pmichaud on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:04PM (#18817360)
We're not really talking about "the average game" either though, otherwise we'd have to include "the average movie" which must necessarily--like games--include amateur and very low budget projects.

We're talking about is the games you actually end up playing versus the movies you actually end up watching. For me the value for money is crushingly in favor of games, both in terms of hours per dollar and in terms of subjective enjoyment.

Other people might have a different overall experience, but let's at least compare the right things.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by folkrav on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:19PM (#18818253)
> We're talking about is the games you actually end up playing versus the movies you actually end up watching. For me the value for money is crushingly in favor of games, both in terms of hours per dollar and in terms of subjective enjoyment.

Fair enough. Really depends on the type of games you enjoy though. They really don't all have the same replay value. As you said, other people might have different experiences.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by leereeves on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:02PM (#18817325)
I did say a good game, and meant to imply the comparison to similarly good movies.

I was just ignoring the games and movies that suck and would be a waste of time and money.

Re:Gaming worth more than video and music combined by SllX on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:25PM (#18817609)
To short circuit discussion, I distinctly recall and can read above that what was originally said was a good game, not an average game.