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Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by amaccuish on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @02:44PM (#18809406)
> Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars).

This would have been great about 5 years ago, and still would be useful, but I think we're going in the direction of unified protocols, like ActiveSync, JMAP, MAPI/EWS etc.

IMHO x-DAV should have been there from day one. I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird, I've been missing an integrated, seamless approach.

Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by tya99 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:52PM (#18812912)
> I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird

I used to use SOGo but found it used way too much resources. None of us really even used 'webmail' so I ditched SOGO.

I went with https://radicale.org most of my family either uses mail clients, Thunderbird, (with Lightning), Canary Mail (the mac user), DAVx⁵ (formerly Davdroid). Radicale allows for ldap authentication which was a must for us.

On a side note the SOGO Integrator plugin took AGES to be updated for Thunderbird 60. I found https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/ to be WAY better, particularly as it replaces the crufty-old Thunderbird addressbook.

Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by tya99 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:55PM (#18812920)
On a side note I have been curious about https://www.etesync.com but haven't tried that.
Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by Mailtemi on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @03:14PM (#18809730)
ActiveSync is the best email protocol but as far as I know is very costly. JMAP is comparable to ActiveSync but will see will gain enough adoption when RFC is finished.
Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by devereaux on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @04:31PM (#18810444)
Could you share your ActiveSync experience?

I've wanted to use z-push with a PSQL backend for a while, mostly to cut off gmail and repatriate my email archives

Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by amaccuish on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @05:10PM (#18810780)
I personally found z-push very buggy. Also you need your own DAV servers for calendar and contacts AFAIK. I found Horde and SOGo much more reliable, I went eventually with SOGo as I thought it was weird using PHP for a long running server. With php stuff (horde and z-push) I had to edit too many timeouts etc.
Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by devereaux on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @05:14PM (#18810809)
Thanks, I was also considering sogo but I thought z-push would be more reliable as it is older.
Re:Thunderbird in 2019 by amaccuish on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:42PM (#18811831)
I mean, people use it, it's not terrible, I just found it unreliable since at the end of the day it's a PHP app. Though Horde (which is also PHP) was miles better. I think z-push uses the php imap library, which is quite ineffecient. See https://wiki.horde.org/activesync#toc29

SOGo being written in obj-c means it's fundamentally much better suited to this task.