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Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by z_open on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @10:25AM (#18806722)
You want them to get a heart attack instead? Lots of cultures have good breakfast that don't rely on sugar or cholesterol. Look to the Mediterranean/Middle East/Central Asia/Far East.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by lhl on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:14AM (#18807166)
Dietary cholesterol consumption has almost no direct relationship with serum cholesterol and in fact has been removed from dietary guidelines. [1]

Also, "A landmark systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies showed no association between saturated fat consumption and (1) all-cause mortality, (2) coronary heart disease (CHD), (3) CHD mortality, (4) ischaemic stroke or (5) type 2 diabetes in healthy adults.1 Similarly in the secondary prevention of CHD there is no benefit from reduced fat, including saturated fat, on myocardial infarction, cardiovascular or all-cause mortality.2 It is instructive to note that in an angiographic study of postmenopausal women with CHD, greater intake of saturated fat was associated with less progression of atherosclerosis whereas carbohydrate and polyunsaturated fat intake were associated with greater progression.3" [2]

There's plenty of evidence, however that sugar is a much more dangerous driver of CVD [3], which is obvious when you look at the pandemic levels of obesity and metabolic syndrome (and co-morbidity and lack of decline in CVD) that coincided with the demonization of saturated fats (and replacement with much worse trans-fats and high n6 PUFAS [4])...

[1] https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-you-should-no-longer-...

[2] https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111

[3] https://openheart.bmj.com/content/4/2/e000729

[4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335257/

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by will_brown on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:31AM (#18807361)
I would also add that hdl (the “healthy cholesterol”) in fact helps: 1. Prevent plaque build up; 2. Lowers risk of heart disease; and 3. Lowers risk of stroke.

The problem with industries muddy the water by claiming “cholesterol” is bad without distinguishing between ldl and hdl. It’s similar to what the sugar industry does with “diabeties” when they don’t distinguish between type 1 and type 2.

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by lhl on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:39PM (#18808081)
To me, it's interesting to see first hand, having now done tons of primary literature research over the past few months. What I've pieced together is that driven primarily by Ancel Keys and a few other strong personalities (eg McGovern and his aides), the "lipid hypothesis" was implemented as public policy based on scant epidemiological/associational (and no clinical) evidence to try to stem the heart disease crisis. This of course, happened during a time when tobacco companies was actively suppressing the health impacts of smoking.

Since then, and because the lipid hypothesis was deemed as institutional truth, we've been chasing a white rabbit that didn't exist. First it was saturated fats, then cholesterol, then LDL, now LP(a) and Ox-LDL... In the meantime, since saturated fat was public enemy number one, even worse replacements (trans-fats, industrial seed oils, even potentially worse and unstudied new FA isomers now) were introduced as replacements and sugar consumption increased dramatically from fat-phobia (as the defacto remaining macro as red meat and protein were also tarred with the same brush), leading to where we are now (a global metabolic disease pandemic).

What's interesting is in the past two decades especially, the amount of very interesting nutritional and metabolic research (biomechanistic research in animal models, RCTs and other human trials) has been staggering, and I think there's overwhelming evidence (and now some momentum even) in scientific/medical circles strongly pointing out that nutritional policies and "common wisdom" as being flat out wrong, but in the general public (which includes most medical practitioners, sadly) there's a huge lag. Which is too bad, considering obesity rates are likely above 40% in US adults now (39.8% in 2015-2016 [1]).

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @10:41AM (#18806844)
OP’s point is even bacon and eggs is healthier than boxed cereal. (My preferred breakfast is miso soup.)
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by PenguinCoder on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:02AM (#18807030)
I don't know about other families, but my child won't eat bacon and eggs or other non sugar laden breakfast. I eat bacon and eggs every morning. My child wants cereal, or poptarts, or frozen waffles/pancakes etc. When I removed these items in an effort to have him eat other healthier foods, he decided to not eat anything at home - he'd go to school and instead eat their sugar and carb breakfast. So while I can understand the thought process and well meaning of OP comment, it's one of a non parent attempting to give advice on parenting.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by hombre_fatal on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:19AM (#18807230)
> a non parent attempting to give advice on parenting

Let's not suggest that parents don't have almost complete control over their kids at this age.

I can reconcile your anecdote against how I was raised: My school didn't have free food, so I didn't have a choice and your scenario was impossible. I either ate breakfast and packed a lunch or went the day hungry. I preferred the former. My parents didn't buy poptarts. I had to learn to enjoy healthy food for breakfast and a ham sandwich for lunch, and I'm very thankful for that.

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by paulrpotts on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:21PM (#18807911)
I have seven kids. Parents don't have almost complete control over their kids at this age.

>I either ate breakfast and packed a lunch or went the day hungry.

Yes, a lot of kids will actually fast and make themselves ravenous, have blood sugar crashes, be unable to concentrate, act badly towards classmates, etc. rather than eat the food they don't prefer. Some will lose weight. One of mine in particular will fast for _days_ until eventually someone will feed him something sweet. It's a real problem. In his case he'll sometimes eat a dinner one day, then a week later refuse the same food, until we wear him down until he will finally take a bite, then he'll realize he likes it, and eat a full meal. If he is not actually with us, though, we can't force his behavior like that.

This is especially true of kids who are "on the autism spectrum," and I suspect that a lot of HN readers have kids on the spectrum, as I do.

We feed the kids the healthiest food we can at home, almost all the time except for occasional special occasions. But _other_ well-meaning people at churches, schools, playdates, etc. can really screw up the eating habits a parent tries to instill.

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by stuntkite on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:40PM (#18808105)
I was reading the top and I was like, “oh, ASD!” The food peculiarites can be lifetime problems. My girlfriend almost cannot feed herself and will fast to collapse without routine. For people that don’t know, food is a massive sensory experience. ASD is largely a sensory disorder. This leads to hyper specific “safe” food choices which frequently cause anorexia or obesity without clear other options.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by PenguinCoder on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:10PM (#18807768)
I was raised differently as well; food in front of you is what you're eating. However in this day and age, it's tantamount to neglect or abuse to refuse a child something to eat. IE "Chicken is what is for dinner, no you can't eat pizza" -> "You can't not feed your kid, let him eat". I commented to another poster about the school breakfast/lunch situation. TLDR: I have no choice in the matter. The kid wins.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by will_brown on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:22AM (#18807269)
Well it’s advice on diet more than parenting.

the advice is the same but if you believe it carries more weight coming from a pediatrician and father of 8...here is a link to Thornburg Pediatrics, I recommend signing up for their newsletter.

https://thornburgpediatrics.com/site/

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by ericd on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:17AM (#18807209)
He'd rather pay his own money for a sugary breakfast at school? Or do they provide it for free?
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by PenguinCoder on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:06PM (#18807726)
Neither. He'd rather have the school sugary breakfast than to eat at home. The school will not refuse him (or any child) food. So they'll send a bill home that we now owe them money for the breakfast. I have repeatedly asked and responded to them to deny him breakfast at school, which... did not go over well and caused some other issues. So he eats sugar at school, because he won't eat at home, and I'm required to pay for it as his guardian, although I do not want it.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by 0xJRS on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:22PM (#18807921)
It sounds like another strongly worded letter to the school along with a note/email from a doctor explaining the situation might fix this. I don't think trying once and then saying "Well i guess i cant stop my kid from doing something" is a good idea. As someone who grew up with 0 restrictions on what I ate and when I ate it pains me now to think back on what my parents fed me/allowed me to consume.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by ericd on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:03AM (#18813585)
Thanks, this is something I don't have to deal with for a few more years, but I'm starting to have to think about it. That's a bit insane that the school is refusing to restrict your kid's access to sugary food.

Then again, thinking back, we all drank chocolate milk in school, since you needed something to cover the awful taste of the underlying milk, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by ThrowawayR2 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:14AM (#18807173)
However, bacon contains a considerable amount of sodium, as does miso (even the "low-sodium" types).
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by otabdeveloper2 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @10:39AM (#18806829)
I'm pretty sure that the idea that cholesterol causes heart attacks is fake news.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by stochastic_monk on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:18AM (#18807219)
No need to throw around such a hollow and repurposed phrase.

Dietary cholesterol’s role in heart attacks has been largely disproven, but “fake news” is malicious disinformation, not mistaken conclusions from flawed decades-old research.

Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by will_brown on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @10:43AM (#18806868)
Correct dietary cholesterol is unrelated to high cholesterol in people. It’s a myth invented by...the sugar industry.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by KIFulgore on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:05AM (#18807060)
I've read that lean, cholesterol-laden meats like shrimp, oysters, and liver do not raise cholesterol, but meats high in saturated fat will (ie, butter and ribeye steak).
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by chongli on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @10:59AM (#18806997)
Yeah. The problem with bacon is the nitrites, not the cholesterol.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by TACIXAT on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:08AM (#18807101)
Yea, I'm celiac and sodium nitrite is one of the foods I cut out. Might not affect everyone but it definitely messes with me. The uncured bacon products usually have celery powder which also contains sodium nitrite. Plain pork belly is the way to go.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by NikolaeVarius on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:20AM (#18807245)
So you can't eat celery?
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by TACIXAT on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:27PM (#18807969)
Correct. I've identified the following as triggers for sinus headaches in myself and cut them out; gluten, caffeine, sodium nitrites, monsodium glutamate, sugar. I also don't eat fruit because of sugar. I just take vitamins to get the good stuff out of them. I mostly eat meat. Rice, corn, or potato based carbs. Broccoli is my go to veggie which I should eat more of.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by gnulinux on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @01:34PM (#18808667)
This sort of pseudo science is usually upvoted/supported only because of bacon's popular conception to be unhealthy. That may be true, but your logic is still flawed since there is no correlation between cholesterol or fat consumption and heart diseases (as pointed out by other commenters). However, high glycemic nature of sugar is still based on facts.
Re:Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar by slenk on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @02:53PM (#18809499)
That's what Big Sugar wants you to think. Who do you think pushed that fat was the worst? Sugar