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Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by SquishyPanda23 on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @04:19PM (#18802446)
> The problem is that they are corporate shills.

I really think the defining political problem of our age is campaign finance reform and to a lesser extent election reform.

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by ende on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @05:13PM (#18802734)
I would reverse those. The hyper adversarial nature of our political environment is shaped by our electoral systems; specifically plurality voting, partisan primaries, and gerrymandered single member districts. Fixing those three things will go a long way towards restoring sanity to our politics.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by BurningFrog on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @06:09PM (#18802991)
> Fixing those three things will go a long way towards restoring sanity to our politics.

But didn't those three things exist when the sanity you want to restore prevailed?

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by paulmd on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @02:54AM (#18804840)
The only points when "sanity prevailed" were when there was a clear Other to rally against and fight a war. The hyperpartisanship we're seeing is actually normal for the US.

The US was broken in the 1800s. It was broken in the 1820s-1840s with the fight over slavery. It was broken in the 1860s, and we had to fight a civil war to restore any sort of santy. It was broken in the 1880s after Restoration was rolled back. It was broken in 1900 with the rise of the Klan again. 1915 was WWI, in 1920 we were back to being broken. 1930s we were broken by depression and the fight against fascism, 1940s we had WW2. 1950s we had Korea, 1960s we were broken, 1970s we were broken, and that begun the decline of any sense of civility in the congress.

1980s we were completely broken, 1990s we were completely broken, 2000s we were completely broken, 2010s we were completely broken...

The lack of justice for Nixon broke any sense of normality left in the nation. And the Republicans nevertheless played off the idea that Nixon was somehow crucifed, and elected Reagan, then went on a witch-hunt against Clinton. Then they elected a historically bad president in Bush, started the longest wars in US history, and when people complained they crucified Obama in response. And then they elected the loudest finger-in-the-eye they could find in response.

The US has been somewhat broken for literally its entire existence but it has been actively unable to transact its internal business for about half of that... about half of that being in the last 50 years.

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by rjf72 on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @11:51PM (#18804255)
I think there are two big issues there.

The first is softball and obvious. Things can work on a small scale and collapse on a large scale. We started with around 30,000 citizens per congressional district (and thus per representative). And there was a strong urging to push it lower by some. This number was envisioned as remaining as a constant, for if you dilute the power and "connection" of the average voter too much, you risk exposing yourself to politicians too far detached from their constituency which can breed tyranny, corruption, and so on. And indeed 30,000 is already pretty far up there. Today we have more than 700,000 citizens per congressional district.

The second is a more contentious issue, but perhaps even more relevant. Today we've become an increasingly divided and polarized society where nuance is increasingly a lost art. Democracy does not work in such situations. Iraq is an extreme example. Iraq is fundamentally broken up into three major groups - Shiite, Sunni, and Kurds. And these groups tend to be extremely intolerant of one another with members of each group generally adopting wholesale all views of their own group and only their own group. It just turns into a tyranny of the majority.

Somehow the United States has started trending towards this exact behavior. This wasn't always the case. While we may have had vice president engage in a duel to the death with a secretary of the treasury, these were personal conflicts. Today people are engaging more in group conflicts. Democracy works when people are willing to work together, not when they view politics as a team sport where the idea is for your side to "win" and the other side to "lose."

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by BurningFrog on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:27AM (#18804371)
Well, Iraq never developed the traditions or culture or whatever the preconditions for a democracy are. One was imposed on them by a neither competent nor determined foreign occupation force.

The US has had that precondition for centuries, so if we were to lose it, it would be a very different case fro Iraq, who never had it.

I think the factor behind increased polarisation in the US and across the democratic world probably is this thing right here. The internet! People are now increasingly getting their news and information, and thereby their world view from "social media", not the traditional mass media of the last 2-3 centuries.

It's a huge sea change, and we're only seeing the beginning of it. So far it't looking kinda scary, but things will keep changing quickly, and I think we'll sort things out. We better :)

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by stochastic_monk on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @04:23PM (#18802464)
Which is the primary aim of the new democratic house. I would not consider someone trying to limit corporate control of politics a corporate shill.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by jedmeyers on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @04:49PM (#18802605)
How about limiting political control of people, so corporations won’t try to control politics so much? Since so far “limiting corporate control of politics” looks more like gatekeeping: allowing some corporations to control while denying others.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by shmerl on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @04:49PM (#18802602)
Yet Larry Lessig was shut down the last time he tried bringing this into focus.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by lern_too_spel on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @06:10PM (#18802997)
The 2016 election? Both the Democratic front-runner and the nearest also-ran not only had campaign finance reform prominently in their platforms (each with a full page devoted to the issue on their websites) but also brought it up during the debates.

https://www.npr.org/2016/02/06/465781632/fact-check-clinton-...

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by sidlls on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @04:59PM (#18802654)
The primary aim of the new democratic house is to continue in the same way under the same leadership as they have for the last 30 years. They're a conservative party who mainly want the same things as Republicans, but have somehow managed to bamboozle a whole new generation into thinking they're the party of civil rights, egalitarianism, labor, etc. They're about as interested in campaign and election reform as the Republicans.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by stochastic_monk on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @11:29PM (#18804185)
How do you square your claims with this?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18802997

Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by sidlls on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:03AM (#18804287)
Politicians lie, and words are cheap.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by stochastic_monk on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @01:11AM (#18804503)
I’ll re-evaluate them after I see what this house does. I certainly don’t want what the current party in power does.
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @07:58PM (#18803445)
The Supreme Court said limiting campaign finance is unconstitutional. What do you propose politicians do about it?
Re:Mickey Mouse and Batman will soon be public domain by peteretep on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @08:45PM (#18803612)
Amend the constitution?