Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving Cars

Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by PakG1 on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @12:38AM (#18799097)

All you have to consider is the possibility that in some other regions of the world, that law doesn't exist and you're allowed to trail the car in front of you to make the turn you want. This is because for busy intersections, the closer you are to making the turn, the more chance you have of making it successfully. In general, there is greater throughput, and the safety risks are minimal because the yellow light signals for oncoming traffic to stop and gives enough time for everyone waiting to make the turn before it goes red (at least, that's what a yellow light is supposed to be, some people run it, and some people even run red lights).

I take it that in Australia, you drive on the left side of the road? In North America, you drive on the right side of the road, so the logic would apply when you're turning left, not right.

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Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by bicubic on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @12:49AM (#18799130)

The rule has nothing to do with the handedness of the traffic. The rule comes down to 'do not enter an intersection unless you are 100% sure you will clear it before the lights change'. If you enter an intersection so late that it's about to turn red while another car is waiting to turn, you're at fault, not the car in front of you for not turning sooner. The red light transition timing is set to allow one and only one car to exit the intersection before the other side has a green light to enter.

The rule exists to prevent intersections from getting blocked by idiot drivers who enter too late and get stuck, which if not immediately cleared will cause gridlock to begin forming.

I find it a bit hard to believe that such a rule doesn't exist in America.

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Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by PakG1 on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @01:24AM (#18799228)

Seeing is believing. For example:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/culture/commutin...

In Ontario, the law doesn't say where cars should wait when waiting to turn left at a green light.

Apparently, that silence means a queue is allowed. In an e-mail, Ontario's Ministry of Transportation (MTO) tells Globe Drive that "more than one car is allowed to enter an intersection on a green light to line up to make a left turn, provided that the car's turn signal is on before it enters the intersection."

But, beware of local bylaws. If an intersection has a sign that says "Do not block intersection," you shouldn't be waiting inside it to turn, police say.

When I was driving (I don't really drive anymore), I found it common practice to queue in the intersection while waiting for a left turn.

Although, I suppose counterexamples exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNWP6tmJHw&t=1m23s

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Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by mattbreeden on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @01:18AM (#18799216)

> The rule comes down to 'do not enter an intersection unless you are 100% sure you will clear it before the lights change'.

Yes, that is how it's supposed to work here. But when you enter because there isn't any traffic coming and you assume the waymo vehicle will do the obvious and turn left, and then it just stops, it's very easy to get stuck out in the intersection behind it - in a situation that wouldn't happen with any human driver.

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Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by Operyl on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @09:55AM (#18800394)

Might I introduce you to South Florida then. Overly cautious 80+ year old drivers that cause accidents for being just too cautious/slow to react. That’s what the Waymo cars sound like right now.

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Re:Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving ... by Animats on Tuesday January 01, 2019 @03:25AM (#18799441)

It's a local option in the US. Large cities are stricter about it. Some large cities paint a big box on intersections and ticket people for blocking the box.

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