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Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by JoeAltmaier on Monday December 31, 2018 @10:55AM (#18795039)
Others visit their site. Some sites are very popular. It never stays on the internet, and its not all about what I'm seeing. Imagine a billboard that says "Joe is a deviant criminal". It's ok, I should just not drive that way again?

And Universities have a special obligation, lets not forget that.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by EpicEng on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:38AM (#18795320)
>Imagine a billboard that says "Joe is a deviant criminal"

Well now Joe has a libel claim. If Joe is actually a deviant criminal then, well... he pissed off the wrong person. What's the issue?

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by PurpleBoxDragon on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:48AM (#18795381)
What about "I've heard Joe is a a deviant criminal"? The rumor does not have to be true for the statement (that the rumor was heard) to be true.

What about "Joe has, at the time this sign was made, never denied beating his wife on Decemeber 31st." The claim could be very true in that Joe never has denied that specific claim because there was no reason to deny a claim that hadn't been made yet.

What about putting up the sordid details of a teenagers love life on a bulletin board outside her high school? Assume you verified the statements as factual. Is there perhaps an issue even when it is the truth?

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:58AM (#18795438)
Harassment is a crime. Countering it does not require censorship. (Except in the sense of restraining orders, which are actually targeted at the responsible party)
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by PurpleBoxDragon on Monday December 31, 2018 @01:23PM (#18796025)
>Harassment is a crime.

Which goes back to the other poster's question of where is the problem if it is a factual claim. Assuming they share in the same answer as you, it seems the problem occurs at the point where stating factual statements crosses over into harassment.

While a generic answer that I generally find agreeable, the devil is always in the details, no? Where exactly is that line, and is there still not a problem if someone behaves in manner that is extremely close to but not crossing that line?

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by Retric on Monday December 31, 2018 @12:10PM (#18795515)
You are now largely placing the effort to fix the problem on the victims.

Sometimes the platform really is the problem. It’s the old mean rime before dick issue, if you let people share content you will see verious kinds of content. Nintendo for example gets around this by limiting what messages you can send to other people.

I am not saying it’s nessisarily appropriate for collages, but it is a real issue schools need to deal with.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by EpicEng on Monday December 31, 2018 @12:35PM (#18795694)
>Sometimes the platform really is the problem.

The platform you're talking about is the internet. So do we outlaw billboards? What about TV? I could always run a commercial, right? Are newspapers ok?

We have laws that are reactive because we are not a country feels comfortable providing safety by stripping freedoms. You can come up with blatant examples all day, but real world scenarios will not always be so cut and dry. I lean to the side of less restriction, not more.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by Retric on Monday December 31, 2018 @01:49PM (#18796179)
Billboards, TV etc have a lot of laws associated with them which cause the owners to act preemptively. So, it's generally not possible to anonymously post an explicit x rated image on a Billboard or TV commercial due to the people doing manual content reviews. Prime time TV added tape delays and a manual bleep to avoid similar issues.

That's not to say message boards need to have some person review every post before it goes public. But, that is a possible theoretical solution to this issue. Granted it's not economically viable, but plenty of other businesses models are also limited by the law.

PS: HN is actually a great example of what's possible while still allowing random postings online while avoiding many of these issues.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by EpicEng on Monday December 31, 2018 @02:05PM (#18796270)
>Billboards, TV etc have a lot of laws associated with them which cause the owners to act preemptively. So, it's generally not possible to anonymously post an explicit x rated image on a Billboard or TV commercial due to the people doing manual content reviews. Prime time TV added tape delays and a manual bleep to avoid similar issues.

Sure, we've decided as a society to limit some freedoms for the greater good. You also cannot shout "fire" in a movie theater. We have libel and slander laws. We have laws against harassment.

It's a question of where to draw the line, and I believe censoring legal discourse crosses it.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by Retric on Monday December 31, 2018 @02:16PM (#18796336)
I don't see a lot of people trying to repeal the "The seven dirty words" you can't say on TV or radio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

This case is also rather far from the mark of polite discourse and would have been blocked from billboards etc. It's more about how to do this kind of management and some back and forth as we figure out societal norms for new things just seems reasonable to me.

"Figure something out or we block you." -> "How about this?" or "Meh you're not worth dealing with."

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by JoeAltmaier on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:40AM (#18795334)
Well, on that subject, of course the internet is the issue. Once something is 'in the wild' on the internet it is very, very hard to quash it. The old legal mechanisms are slow, certainly not the speed of the internet anyway. A 'viral' video on social media isn't something you stop with a libel suit.
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by Nasrudith on Monday December 31, 2018 @08:02PM (#18798217)
I don't' think it is that new given anonymous bill postings before forensics were sufficient to identify a publisher. If everyone already knows that someone posted a bunch of pamphlets that stated that the governor is an embezzling child molester. Enforcement has always been limited by practicality.

Before forensics advanced sufficiently just a dead body in the street with no witnesses was a perfect murder.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by EpicEng on Monday December 31, 2018 @01:04PM (#18795891)
You can't unprint a libelous article in a newspaper either. You can sue them and they can print an apology, but you cannot erase history.

The internet poses new hurdles because information is so easily accessible, but we have to be very careful about imposing rules which restrict an adult's ability to consume information.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by JumpCrisscross on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:15AM (#18795180)
> Imagine a billboard that says "Joe is a deviant criminal".

The solution isn’t to ban billboards.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by JoeAltmaier on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:19AM (#18795206)
True, but way to miss the point. Its to forbid posting crap like that (on existing sites).

And the ban part is all about the special position of a University vs students. Not about the internet, not about the public in general. Anyway that's how the OP started...

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by williamscales on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:33AM (#18795293)
I think it is you who is missing the point. What is different between "forbidding posting crap like that" and "banning billboards"?
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by EpicEng on Monday December 31, 2018 @12:37PM (#18795710)
So who gets to decide what information is ok for adults to consume? What happens when this newly elected dictator decides that e.g. Jordan Peterson is a hate monger who must be censored? Is that ok? How do we prevent abuse when the subject matter is so often subjective?

This is exactly why we have the first ammendment. This sort of power should not exist as those who would wield it are not infallible and cannot be trusted.

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by nradov on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:32AM (#18795289)
Universities shouldn't have special obligations any more than any other employer or government agency. Another way to look at it is that regular people shouldn't have less protection against online harassment just because they don't happen to be university students. Rules and protections should apply equally to everyone.

Should public libraries be obligated to block online content that harasses some of their patrons?

Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:46PM (#18808188)
Universities have parental responsibilities to legal children.
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by nradov on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:11PM (#18818806)
Very few university students are children. There are a lot more children in public libraries.
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by npmaile on Monday December 31, 2018 @11:23AM (#18795240)
If Joe happens to be a deviant criminal and doesn't like to be reminded of the fact, then he should avert his gaze when driving by. If Joe is not a deviant criminal, then he can sue the person who put up the billboard for damages incurred.
Re:Court rules universities may have duty to block websites ... by anigbrowl on Monday December 31, 2018 @05:03PM (#18797324)
And then there will be a tide of amicus briefs making the same generic arguments about free speech and slippery slopes and parades of horribles, and it's a question of whether Joe wants to spend lots of money and time on litigating the issue, which may cost substantially more than the original libel, thus creating a market for lies which is effectively what we have now.